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>Today's Topics:
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>    1. pup use cases... (Chris McDonough)
>    2. Re: pup use cases... (Matthew Miller)
>    3. Re: pup use cases... (Paul Nasrat)
>    4. Re: pup use cases... (Chris McDonough)
>    5. Re: pup use cases... (Chris McDonough)
>    6. Re: pup use cases... (Matthew Miller)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:45:56 -0400
>From: Chris McDonough <[email protected]>
>Subject: pup use cases...
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>Hi all,
>
>I'm taking a look at the ""pup storyboard" from a checkout of Paul
>Nasrat's pup package.
>
>The storyboard seems to indicate that the most compelling use case is
>the one currently fulfilled by up2date/rhn-applet, where a user is
>notified that an update is available for software that he or she already
>has installed, and allows them to install the updates in a 'batch'.
>
>I am wondering if anyone has an idea of whether it's within pup's
>current presumed scope to also allow users to manage the process of
>graphically adding new software and removing installed software on an
>ad-hoc basis (e.g. Synaptic).
>
>Any pointers to existing conversations about this are welcome too.
>
>- C
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>Message: 2
>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:14:26 -0400
>From: Matthew Miller <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: pup use cases...
>To: Discussions about configuration tool development
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>On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 02:45:56PM -0400, Chris McDonough wrote:
> > I am wondering if anyone has an idea of whether it's within pup's
> > current presumed scope to also allow users to manage the process of
> > graphically adding new software and removing installed software on an
> > ad-hoc basis (e.g. Synaptic).
>
>As I understand it, it's very much not.
>
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 15:27:20 -0400
>From: Paul Nasrat <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: pup use cases...
>To: Discussions about configuration tool development
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>On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 14:45 -0400, Chris McDonough wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm taking a look at the ""pup storyboard" from a checkout of Paul
> > Nasrat's pup package.
>
>Cool.  If you want to test it out you can
>
>cd data; sudo python mockpup.py
>
>I'll move to having a real binary later this week - along with makefiles
>and spec for test releases.
>
> > The storyboard seems to indicate that the most compelling use case is
> > the one currently fulfilled by up2date/rhn-applet, where a user is
> > notified that an update is available for software that he or she already
> > has installed, and allows them to install the updates in a 'batch'.
>
>Yes that is correct.
>
> > I am wondering if anyone has an idea of whether it's within pup's
> > current presumed scope to also allow users to manage the process of
> > graphically adding new software and removing installed software on an
> > ad-hoc basis (e.g. Synaptic).
>
>Not with pup itself.  The aim is to have a complete graphical suite for
>software management using yum as the backend from anaconda installation,
>package updates and software installation.
>
>pup is focused on the package update component.  We may endup with
>reusable parts such as progress bars and callbacks, but the installation
>interface is distinct from updates.
>
>Paul
>
>
>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:41:40 -0400
>From: Chris McDonough <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: pup use cases...
>To: Discussions about configuration tool development
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>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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>On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 15:14 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 02:45:56PM -0400, Chris McDonough wrote:
> > > I am wondering if anyone has an idea of whether it's within pup's
> > > current presumed scope to also allow users to manage the process of
> > > graphically adding new software and removing installed software on an
> > > ad-hoc basis (e.g. Synaptic).
> >
> > As I understand it, it's very much not.
>
>I see... thanks!  I was going to try to contribute, but I'm not sure
>what the benefit is of replacing the existing utilities that already do
>that.
>
>- C
>
>
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 19:54:49 -0400
>From: Chris McDonough <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: pup use cases...
>To: Discussions about configuration tool development
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>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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>On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 15:27 -0400, Paul Nasrat wrote:
> > On Thu, 2005-06-09 at 14:45 -0400, Chris McDonough wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I'm taking a look at the ""pup storyboard" from a checkout of Paul
> > > Nasrat's pup package.
> >
> > Cool.  If you want to test it out you can
> >
> > cd data; sudo python mockpup.py
>
>Yep, tried it, looks good! ;-)
>
> > > I am wondering if anyone has an idea of whether it's within pup's
> > > current presumed scope to also allow users to manage the process of
> > > graphically adding new software and removing installed software on an
> > > ad-hoc basis (e.g. Synaptic).
> >
> > Not with pup itself.  The aim is to have a complete graphical suite for
> > software management using yum as the backend from anaconda installation,
> > package updates and software installation.
> >
> > pup is focused on the package update component.  We may endup with
> > reusable parts such as progress bars and callbacks, but the installation
> > interface is distinct from updates.
>
>Gotcha... that helps a lot, thanks.  I'm hot for an ad-hoc installation
>tool, but maybe I should start playing around with pup first given that
>it's the first in the series of things that aim to get done.  I gather
>that the combination of up2date and rhn-applet-gui is pretty crufty, and
>that's why we need pup?
>
>- C
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 6
>Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 20:57:19 -0400
>From: Matthew Miller <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: pup use cases...
>To: Discussions about configuration tool development
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>Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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>On Thu, Jun 09, 2005 at 07:41:40PM -0400, Chris McDonough wrote:
> > I see... thanks!  I was going to try to contribute, but I'm not sure
> > what the benefit is of replacing the existing utilities that already do
> > that.
>
>You may want to see if Tim Lauridsen, the developer of yumex
><http://fedoranews.org/tchung/yumex/> would like some help....
>
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