Re: Fedora Workstation Working Group Meeting 2025-06-03

Here is our edited Gemini summary of this meeting:

Jun 3, 2025

Meeting Jun 3, 2025 at 08:48 CDT Summary

Michael Catanzaro reported a recent mutter update that caused 
significant breakage in X11 and XWayland applications, which was 
quickly resolved. Matthias Clasen initiated a discussion about the 
current updates policy, leading to Allan Day's proposal for a minimum 
testing time for updates, and Nieves Montero Fernandez volunteered to 
discuss this with Fedora QA and Adam Williamson. Participants also 
received updates on the Fedora Release Party, the upcoming Flock event, 
the GUADEC timetable, and a suggestion from Matthias Clasen to discuss 
GNOME modernization with Adrian Vovk in a future meeting.

Details

Mutter Update Breakage

Michael Catanzaro reported that a recent mutter update caused severe 
breakage in all X11 and XWayland applications. The update was released 
on Wednesday, and a Reddit thread alerted users on Saturday. Michael 
Catanzaro pushed out a fixed update on Sunday.

Updates Policy Discussion

Matthias Clasen initiated a discussion on whether the current updates 
policy should be adjusted to prevent similar issues in the future. The 
conversation involved proposals for extending the mandatory wait time 
in update testing, especially for core or important packages.

Minimum Testing Time Proposal

Allan Day proposed implementing a minimum testing time for updates, 
regardless of positive karma, to allow more opportunity for issues to 
be uncovered. While acknowledging that urgent fixes might need to 
bypass this, Matthias Clasen agreed with the idea. Michel Lind 
suggested disabling push by karma and manually pushing after a set 
period, but Matthias Clasen noted the overhead.

Action on Updates Policy Change

Nieves Montero Fernandez volunteered to discuss the proposal for a 
mandatory minimum testing time with Fedora QA and Adam Williamson. This 
action aims to explore how such a change could be implemented within 
the current update system.

Fedora Release Party Update

Matthias Clasen mentioned their participation in the Fedora Release 
Party, where they provided a brief update on Workstation changes. Allan 
Day thanked Matthias Clasen for doing this.

Future Meeting Topic: GNOME Modernization

Matthias Clasen suggested inviting Adrian Vovk to a future meeting to 
discuss their work on gnome-session and GDM modernization, including 
efforts to reduce reliance on X and integrate systemd technologies, 
which could impact Workstation. Matthias Clasen will schedule this in 
the coming weeks.

Flock and GUADEC

Matthias Clasen reminded attendees about Flock happening this week, 
with Workstation presentations planned. Allan Day mentioned that the 
GUADEC timetable is also now available.

Suggested next steps

Nieves Montero Fernandez will talk to Adam from Fedora QA about adding 
a mandatory minimum testing time for updates.

Matthias Clasen will pencil in a meeting with Adrian Vovk to discuss 
gnome-session and GDM modernization.


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