Re: Fedora Workstation Working Group Meeting 2025-08-19

Meeting Aug 19, 2025 at 08:59 CDT

Summary

The meeting, attended by Michael Catanzaro, Nieves Montero Fernandez, 
Allan Day, and Chris Murphy, achieved quorum after initial attendance 
issues. The group unanimously approved the removal of Rhythmbox from 
the default Fedora install, as proposed by Michael Catanzaro, due to 
its outdated status. Michael Catanzaro also discussed the longstanding 
issue of user data encryption and a desktop freezing issue, for which 
Chris Murphy suggested using SSH and `journalctl -fk` for debugging.

Details

Removal of Rhythmbox from Default Install

Michael Catanzaro proposed removing Rhythmbox from the default Fedora 
install, citing its seven-year history as a topic and its current 
unsuitability as a core application. Allan Day expressed support for 
its removal, noting its antiquated design and GTK 3 status, while Chris 
Murphy indicated they did not use it and had no strong opinion. The 
group approved the removal due to a lack of objections.

Encryption of User Data

Michael Catanzaro brought up the long-standing issue of user data 
encryption, which has been open since October 2018. He noted that the 
original assignee, Owen, was no longer working on it. Michael Catanzaro 
suggested that he would talk to Adrian for their opinion on the next 
steps, with Allan Day agreeing to this approach.

Desktop Freezing Issue

Michael Catanzaro reported an issue with their desktop freezing 
multiple times a day since upgrading to Fedora 43. They noted that the 
system journal did not initially show relevant information but later 
discovered amdgpu driver errors occurring five minutes before freezes, 
suggesting a possible cause. Chris Murphy suggested enabling SSH and 
using `journalctl -fk` from a second computer to monitor kernel 
messages and potentially capture the issue before the system freezes.

Suggested next steps

 * Michael Catanzaro will talk to Adrian about the encryption of user 
data excluding system data.
 * Michael Catanzaro will report a bug for the freezing desktop issue.




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