Re: release dates

Scott Dowdle composed on 2025-02-06 03:56 (UTC):

> I'm not sure what you mean about a-page-needs-a-scrollbar.  That isn't a function of HTML nor the responsibility of someone creating a web page.  Browsers these days, for whatever reason the UI developers years ago, decided that scrollbars should be hidden if the mouse isn't hovering over where they should be... so they make them auto-hide (or drastically reduce them so they are barely visible) and often only reveal them when the pointer is over them.  I don't think browsers are the only programs that do that but I can't think of another one off-hand.  UI developers think less-is-more and that more-equals-clutter.

I'm not sure that's the whole story. There's only so much that can fit in the
micro screen of a mobile phone. My fingers are too big to use them with anything
but their NUM pads to put in phone numbers. Less than a week ago, I literally took
a sledge hammer to the one my sister gave me. First hit killed it. Third hit
exploded it and burned me with splatter. It was red hot for more than a minute
after the flames and smoke stopped.

>  I'm old and I would prefer that "clutter" personally... but developers don't cater to old people. :(

That is oh so sadly true. "Powered by Discourse" in general equates to go away
unless you use the latest greatest awful bloatware web browser. openSUSE at least
employs a workaround on its Discourse pages that enables native scrollbars to
function in browsers that aren't Chrome wannabes, those with friendlier feature
sets and less bloat. Last visible text on
https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/fedora-operations-report/133731 is
"February 18th – Changes need to be Complete" unless CSS is disabled in SeaMonkey,
though some more is reachable via unzooming, and all is available via page source.
I don't open Discourse pages except when it results from clicking on a link
elsewhere, such as a Google hit, which is how I found out about Feb. 4th
branching. Last system-upgrade here was 3 days ago, before branching.

> I couldn't quite fully follow your email.  It sounded like you were trying to upgraded Fedora 41 to Fedora 42... just because F42 branched from rawhide today.  Is that just for a test to see what would happen?  That would be the only reason I'd try it as branching from rawhide doesn't mean it is anywhere near usable yet.  It'll still have several months of development... and have one beta release.  I'm not looking at the schedule but I'm guessing it is slated for near the end of April or beginning of May.  So, I'm not at all surprised that attempting to upgrade from F41 to F42 today went badly as that's what I would expect to happen.

> I sense quite a bit of frustration in your communication and I can only wish to help ease that if only a little bit.

Bugzilla was barely into 6 digit bug numbers when I reported my first Rawhide bug
over two decades ago:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=107733 1st Rawhide; 103000 v9 Anaconda
Now its numbers are well over 20 times that, and I've reported bugs there 66
times, possibly most of which started as Rawhide.
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