Re: Can we measure Fedora users by language?

On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 10:48 PM, Brian (bex) Exelbierd <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 4:23 AM, Rafal Luzynski <
> [email protected]> wrote:
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>> 28.08.2018 04:16 Noriko Mizumoto <[email protected]> wrote:
>> > [...]
>> > As long as You and Me are happy to keep contributing the translation, I
>> > think that is fine and that is the opensource, isn't? Unless a
>> > maintainer refuses to add in his package.
>>
>> Well, actually I don't contribute to the translation because Piotr does
>> his work so completely and perfectly that there is usually nothing more
>> to add. What I sometimes do includes providing and fixing metadata for
>> other languages. Sometimes this may mean languages which do not have
>> their translation teams or the teams are just being created.
>>
>> > [...]
>> > Four years back, when we have moved to Zanata.
>> > Upon request from Zanata team, I coordinated to create final language
>> > list to add in Zanata. Only language teams who responded have been
>> > added, and in result, a number of language teams I cut off due to no
>> > response. Obvious, no respond no one to work, no point to add.
>> > Repeating this process may help?
>>
>> No, the context (offline) of this discussion is not about removing the
>> languages but about adding them. Should we add a language because somebody
>> (a native speaker) asks us and then disappears and never comes back?
>> Should
>> we add a language because we (or someone else) look at the map of the
>> world
>> and discover an uncovered area?
>>
>
> Could we achieve a system where we add languages on request, but only ask
> maintainers to include them when they reach a certain percentage complete?
> This would also be a floor to cause a language to be considered for removal
> from active publishing.  This way we never turn away anyone and we don't
> have to debate whether it is used or not.  This would also give us a basis
> for having a conversation with maintainers and have something we can
> publish to "shout" about translations and know the result could be valuable
> to people.
>
>

( just an idea - would need inputs on this - not sure how much this would
help here )

In Transtats ( at transtats.xyz ) we have relationship whereby people can
traverse from  Fedora Release > Language > Packages. There we have some
information on "how languages are doing at translation platform?" but this
depends on *list of packages* added.
Secondly, as it has statistics from build system, hence, some interface
could be created for "how languages > packages are doing at build system?"
- so, this at-a-glace picture could help both 1) Language Maintainers and
2) Package Maintainers.

And, slowly over a few fedora releases we can have history of "how
languages performed in last few fedora releases?" - which could influence
this decision of - whether to keep X language in *active publishing*. I
know here - we are trying to decide on "norms" which we should have to
decide on "Languages List?". I have one more point - "How to decide on
Packages List?"

Not sure, mostly for - Languages List, may be l10n team (language
coordinators) can help us and for Packages List may be - i18n and i18n-qe
team can help!

Technically, people see first languages list at anaconda, which is
primarily from
https://raw.githubusercontent.com/mike-fabian/langtable/master/data/languages.xml
Languages list at every translation platform may differ. For DamnedLies its
185: https://l10n.gnome.org/languages/ ,   for fedora.zanata its 101:
https://fedora.zanata.org/languages , for weblate (demo) its 50+:
https://demo.weblate.org/languages/    In fedora we have people using many
different platforms to translate (obviously for us its Zanata - as our
platform) -- but good news is: everything is built in koji !!

So, if we decide on "Language List" and "Package List" - interfaces could
be created (based on stats from koji) in Transtats to see - "How much of
fedora is ready in X languages?"

thanks,
sundeep



> regards,
>
> bex
>
>
>>
>> > [...]
>> > Fedora, afaik, will be used by downstreams. Some contributors may work
>> > for this purpose. Are those distributions' users to be included in the
>> > count as well?
>>
>> I think you mean forks of Fedora. Not even spins but forks. So, no, I
>> think
>> we don't count anything about forks even now. If somebody takes the source
>> code of Fedora, modifies it, builds another distro and publishes it
>> (I assume this is all legal) then we have no control and even no knowledge
>> about it. The same about other distros which are not related with Fedora.
>>
>> Thank you for your feedback, Noriko. Best regards,
>>
>> Rafal
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