Re: Red Hat Linux 9.0 and ipvs 1.0.8

And if most people have directors like mine, Pentium I 200 Mhz or so.  I
can't imagine paying $3000 for software to go on hardware worth $400.



On Fri, 2003-04-11 at 12:29, pb wrote:
> Alex,
> Thanks for your input and research.
> 
> Another issue that crept in starting with RHLinux 8.0
> was the Apache/PHP versions cause trouble for
> PIRANHA_GUI such that I was unable to make it work
> under 8.0, and stuck with 7.3.  This is particularly
> so if you want to stick to stock kernel and stock
> RPM's for installing Piranha and Ipvsadm and
> SCSI_Reserve.
> 
> Question, what about someone upgrading from 7.3 to
> 9.0,  I'm assuming the ipvs module will be lost since
> the new kernel is installed, and the old ones removed.
> 
> 
> I can see Red Hat removing ipvs from their stock
> kernels (except for Adavanced server) in order to push
> people to buy AS.  But for all of us who have Piranha
> running quite well on several 7.3 and 7.2 servers, the
> Piranha_GUI issue in 8.0 was a kicker, and now ipvs
> missing in 9.0 is a big problem if you don't want to
> mess with recompiling kernels, and keep the upgrade
> processes simple, and not have to move to AS.
> 
> I hope Red Hat will put back ipvs into their stock
> kernels such as 9.0 and that others who use
> Piranha/LVS and have a fix for Piranha_GUI will
> publisize it.
> 
> Meanwhile the LVS list says "read the mini-HOWTO about
> using RedHat kernels".  
> 
> And I can confirm ip_vs is no longer in v9.0 - not on
> my desktop.
> 
> Thanks
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- Alex Kramarov <[email protected]> wrote:
> > I have already done extensive research about redhat
> > 9 kernel and lvs
> > 
> > 1. althought pre RH 9 redhat kernels did include
> > ipvs, rh 9 doesn't. rh9 is
> > desktop oriented, they want us to purchase RHAS to
> > have ipvs
> > 
> > 2. rh 9 is heavily patched, the most intruding
> > patches are o1 scheduler, and
> > the ntpl patches. these interfere with a lot of
> > kernel work, ipvs and uml
> > are these i met problem with in the last week.
> > 
> > 3. you should not use the kernel-source rpm to build
> > your own kernel, you
> > should get the kernel.srpm, install it into
> > /usr/src/redhat, and modify the
> > spec file to include the ipvs patch. i was able to
> > do that, but adding the
> > ipvs patch, and removing O1 (which includes some
> > preemt pieces) and ntpl
> > related patches from the spec file (i also removed
> > the lowlat patches,
> > although they don't collide with ipvs). these
> > redhat's optimisations are
> > good for desktops, but they are affecting lvs
> > director performance as much
> > as 25 percent - see the list archives.
> > 
> > 4. i will post my spec file, and the prebuilt RH 9
> > kernel rpms and srpms for
> > the i686 platform later, in the standard place.
> > 
> > http://mail.incredimail.com/howto/lvs/install
> > 
> > i will also see if the modules compile standalone
> > with the regular redhat 9
> > kernel - they did compile with the 7.3 kernel.
> > 
> > Note. althought i don't see any impact of removing
> > the ntpl patches from the
> > kernel on any functionality or stability of the
> > machines i use, if anyone
> > has some input on this, i would be happy to hear it,
> > since glibc is compiled
> > with ntpl support on rh 9, and i am not going to
> > recompile that !
> > 
> > thank you.
> > 
> > Alex.
> > 
> > P.S. RH 7.3 is still me faviourite distro for
> > servers, too bad it has only 8
> > more months of support  ...
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Maxime Quinzin
> > To: LinuxVirtualServer.org users mailing list.
> > Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 5:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] ipvs 1.0.8
> > 
> > 
> > In fact my kernel-source base was a 2.4.20-8 which
> > one delivered with Red
> > Hat 9.0.
> > Then certainly red hat has applied some patch ...
> > 
> > I tried from a 2.4.20 (tarball from kernel.org)
> > and during make modules I obtain another error :
> > gcc -D__KERNEL__ -I/usr/src/linux-2.4.20lvs/include
> > -Wall -Wstrict-prototype
> > s -Wno-trigraphs -O2 -fno-strict-aliasing
> > -fno-common -fomit-frame-pointer -
> > pipe -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686
> > -DMODULE -DMODVERSIONS -includ
> > e
> > /usr/src/linux-2.4.20lvs/include/linux/modversions.h
> >  -nostdinc -iwithprefix
> > include -DKBUILD_BASENAME=sim710  -c -o sim710.o
> > sim710.c
> > sim710.c: In function `sim710_driver_init':
> > sim710.c:589: `A_msg_reject_used' undeclared (first
> > use in this function)
> > sim710.c:589: (Each undeclared identifier is
> > reported only once
> > sim710.c:589: for each function it appears in.)
> > sim710.c:591: `A_test1_src_used' undeclared (first
> > use in this function)
> > sim710.c:593: `A_test1_dst_used' undeclared (first
> > use in this function)
> > sim710.c: In function `sim710_detect':
> > sim710.c:1580: `Ent_test1' undeclared (first use in
> > this function)
> > sim710.c:1613: `A_int_test1' undeclared (first use
> > in this function)
> > make[2]: *** [sim710.o] Error 1
> > make[2]: Leaving directory
> > `/usr/src/linux-2.4.20lvs/drivers/scsi'
> > make[1]: *** [_modsubdir_scsi] Error 2
> > make[1]: Leaving directory
> > `/usr/src/linux-2.4.20lvs/drivers'
> > make: *** [_mod_drivers] Error 2
> > 
> > But infortunately I don't think there is a link with
> > ipvs code...
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Wensong Zhang wrote:
> > 
> > On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Maxime Quinzin wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Really ?? Sorry then, but may you help me, during
> > the make modules, I
> > obtain :
> > 
> > gcc -D__KERNEL__
> > -I/usr/src/linux-2.4.20-8lvs/include -Wall
> > -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-trigraphs -O2
> > -fno-strict-aliasing -fno-common
> > -fomit-frame-pointer -pipe
> > -mpreferred-stack-boundary=2 -march=i686
> > -DMODULE -DMODVERSIONS -include
> >
> /usr/src/linux-2.4.20-8lvs/include/linux/modversions.h
> >  -nostdinc
> > -iwithprefix include -DKBUILD_BASENAME=ip_vs_sync 
> > -c -o ip_vs_sync.o
> > ip_vs_sync.c
> > ip_vs_sync.c: In function `sync_thread':
> > ip_vs_sync.c:687: structure has no member named
> > `sigmask_lock'
> > ip_vs_sync.c:689: too many arguments to function
> > `recalc_sigpending_Rfb6af58d'
> > make[2]: *** [ip_vs_sync.o] Error 1
> > make[2]: Leaving directory
> > `/usr/src/linux-2.4.20-8lvs/net/ipv4/ipvs'
> > make[1]: *** [_modsubdir_ipv4/ipvs] Error 2
> > make[1]: Leaving directory
> > `/usr/src/linux-2.4.20-8lvs/net'
> > make: *** [_mod_net] Error 2
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Have you applied any other patch to the kernel
> > 2.4.20 source? If you
> > applied, you need to adapt the ip_vs_sync.c on
> > signal setting too.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Wensong
> > 
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