Re: Automatic Nikud insertion

I just downloaded VOLT and tried to use it on present state of the
fonts in order to see if I could understand how chain lookups work. As
I didn't see any of the glyphs I did some more searching on the net
and found that VOLT does not support PostScript outlines... I guess
this is one more reason why VOLT won't help us.

Dov

On 10/17/06, Sivan Toledo <stoledo-Uo0HRlKCksNmR6Xm/[email protected]> wrote:
> I am not sure why Dov is trying to do this automatically. Placing NIKUD
> is exciting and I agree with Jonathan that Dov's program is an excellen=
t
> start, but I am not sure that this is really needed.
>
>
> The NIKUD can be placed visually in both fontforge (which I assume is
> still used for maintaining the sources of the Culmus fonts) and also in
> a free Microsoft tool called VOLT. Both produce the required GPOS table=
.
> From my experience, doing this visual editing for a font does not take
> long. It is also possible to write a script that will generate an
> initial placement that can be then adjusted for difficult letter/nikud
> pairs.
>
>
> My sense is that this requires less effort than to write an automatic
> program that does a good job in every case.
>
>
> Perhaps Dov's code can be used to insert some reasonable initial
> placements in the SPD file (the fontforge source), which will then be
> visually edited in fontforge.
>
>
> I am sorry that I cannot offer to do this myself (I am too busy), but I
> will be happy to show somebody how to use VOLT and how to partially
> automate the process with a script that will generate an initial
> placement for VOLT.
>
>
> Sivan
>
>
> Jonathan Ben Avraham wrote:
>
> > Hi Dov,
> > This is an excellent start. Of course, it's still a long way from the
> > quality that we need for OpenOffice.
> >
> > 1. The HEBREW POINT DAGESH in the HEBREW LETTER SHIN of =D7=94=D7=A9=D7=
=9E=D7=99=D7=9D is
> > misplaced.
> >
> > 2. The HEBREW POINT HOLAM after the HEBREW LETTER HET in =D7=97=D7=A9=
=D7=9A elides
> > with the HEBREW POINT SHIN DOT above the HEBREW LETTER SHIN.
> >
> > 3. The HEBREW POINT PATAH under the HEBREW LETTER AYIN in =D7=A2=D7=9C=
 elides
> > with the HEBREW LETTER AYIN itself.
> >
> > 4. The HEBREW PUNCTUATION MAQAF (if that's what it is and not a LATIN
> > HYPHEN-MINUS in =D7=A2=D7=9C-=D7=A4=D7=A0=D7=99 is too far from the H=
EBREW LETTER LAMED.
> >
> > In addition  to the above placement problems, the HEBREW POINT HATAF
> > SEGOL is slightly malformed - the horizontal dots of the segol portio=
n
> > of the HEBREW POINT HATAF SEGOL need to be separated a bit.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >  - yba
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, Dov Grobgeld wrote:
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 06:30:57 +0200
> >> From: Dov Grobgeld <[email protected]>
> >> Reply-To: Ivrix Discussions <[email protected]>
> >> To: Ivrix Discussions <[email protected]>
> >> Subject: Automatic Nikud insertion
> >>
> >> Good morning,
> >>
> >> I wipped together a web page with work in progress. See:
> >>
> >> http://imagic.weizmann.ac.il/~dov/Hebrew/AutoNikud/
> >>
> >> Have fun and send comments.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dov
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