Re: Accessibility removed

Hi Don.  If there's a way, I'd love to hear about it.  Frankly, I feel=20
cheated that this information wasn't posted when Novell's announcement of=20
availability was posted to this list which, as the list name implies,=20
specialises in accessibility issues.

At 17:52 10/05/2005 -0700, don gentner said:

>Hi Gordon,  Yes I guess you have to go with what works
>best for you right now and it sounds like Fedora is
>the best right now. I still feel bad about Suse or I
>should say Novell not loading the blinux package by
>default.
>
>I have installed and used both Suse and Redhat/Fedora
>and Fedora is very good but I have found Suse to be a
>little easyer and more polished than Fedora.
>
>Anyway I will still see if I can find a way around the
>
>install problem.    Don
>
>
>
>
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> > Hi Don.  Nobody in my area that I'm aware of uses
> > SUSE at all.  When I said it
> > had been removed, I meant that it has been removed
> > from the kernels.  So it no
> > longer comes up at boot time.  From our point of
> > view, this means I don't have
> > a prayer of installing it, All the people I have
> > spoken too on the subject, one
> > of whom is a blind LINUX programmer, responsible for
> > authoring the Supercast
> > audio streaming server, tell me to ditch SUSE and go
> > back to Fedora, for which
> > there is a talking installation available.  In fact,
> > one of them has even gone
> > so far as to kindly upload the images of the CD's to
> > me.  So at this point it
> > looks like I'll reluctantly have to go that route.
> > I need to get this project
> > off the ground, to be honest.  I don't have the time
> > to spend hunting for stuff
> > within SUSE.  I just feel saddened that I'm coming
> > up against a brick wall with
> > SUSE every which way I turn.  I want to thank you
> > for your efforts to help
> > here.  I'm still very much interested if someone
> > could come up with something
> > to help.  But the only way I could do anything with
> > this OS would be if there
> > is some kind of accessibility by default.  Novell,
> > in their infinite wisdom,
> > have removed this.  Thus effectively precluding the
> > accessibility users from
> > their product.  It's all very well their talking
> > about all the accessibility
> > products which SUSE supports.  But they don't make
> > it possible for a visually
> > impaired user to install the operating system
> > without third-party help.  I was
> > planning on doing a review of SUSE for a radio
> > station run by the American
> > Council Of The Blind, for which I do voluntary work.
> >  However, my review will
> > now have to be just a few lines in length.  It will
> > read something like:
> > Good product, potentially anyway.  However,
> > accessibility by default is 0 and,
> > as such, this LINUX distribution isn't one I can
> > recommend.
> > What a shame that Novell got their hands on what
> > used to be an excellently well
> > laid out operating system.
> >
> > At 19:12 09/05/2005 -0700, don gentner said:
> >
> > Hi Gordon,  I have some good news. I called Novell
> > and
> >    was able to talk to one of Novell's Linux Tech's
> > and
> > he helped me check out Suse 9.3 Professional from
> > there Web site and we found that blinux is still a
> > package
> > in Suse 9.3.
> >
> > They have not removed it.
> >
> > Blinux is a package in there Hardware Package Group
> > of
> > Packages and called SBL. The package is not
> > installed
> > by default but is on the Suse 9.3 CD's and DVD's and
> > can be installed by Yast.
> >
> > I went to one of my Suse computers and started up
> > Yast
> > and went to Software and then Install Software and
> > then did a search in Hardware Package Groups for SBL
> > and there it is. You can check the box and then Yast
> > will
> > ask for the Suse CD or DVD and it will install the
> > package.
> >
> > Now I know this is not going to be easy for you
> > because you can't point and click your way through
> > all
> > of this as I was able to. But the blinux Package is
> > still in Suse and I think its an upgraded program
> > because its SBL 2.2 .
> >
> > The bad news is that Novell doesn't offer support
> > for
> > blinux so you can't call a Novell tech for help.
> > You will have to get help from someone who has
> > installed and worked with this package or from a
> > Linux
> > users group that can help you find someone with
> > help.
> >
> > I konw this is not going to be easy but there is
> > hope
> > that with the right kind of help that it is
> > possible.
> >
> > Now that we know that it's in 9.3, I will try to
> > help
> > you find someone who has experience with configuring
> > it. It would be great if you could find someone
> > close
> > to you who could help you install the SBL Package
> > and
> > then see what happens after you install and re-boot.
> >
> > I will see if anyone in a Linux users group around
> > here has any experience with blimux.
> >
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