Re: What is "Migration-Toool" for?

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    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 2026-07-28 01:49, Knurpht wrote:<br=
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    <blockquote type=3D"cite"
      cite=3D"mid:[email protected]">
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      <p
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        maandag 27 juli 2026 23:13:58 Midden-Europese zomertijd schreef
        Darryl Gregorash via openSUSE Users:</p>
      <p
style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">&gt;=

        Nowhere have I ever seen instructions to remove wicked and use
        network</p>
      <p
style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">&gt;=

        manager instead.</p>
      <p
style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">I've=

        used the tool on dozens of migrations, and yes, wicked was
        replaced by NM, but ......... wired did not require new
        settings/confirmation, wifi connections worked as before. </p>
      <p>=C2=A0</p>
      <p
style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;"><spa=
n
          style=3D"color:#fcfcfc;"><span style=3D"font-family:Noto Sans;"=
><span
              style=3D"background-color:#1b1e20;">On 7/27/26 4:13 PM,
              Darryl Gregorash via openSUSE Users wrote:</span></span></s=
pan></p>
      <br>
      <p
style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;"><spa=
n
          style=3D"color:#fcfcfc;">&gt;<br>
          &gt; <span style=3D"background-color:#1b1e20;">I wondered about=

            that. I'm currently running TW without NM and with=C2=A0</spa=
n></span></p>
      <p
style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;"><spa=
n
          style=3D"color:#fcfcfc;"><span style=3D"background-color:#1b1e2=
0;">&gt;
            Wicked -- and it works fine. </span></span></p>
      <p
style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;"><spa=
n
          style=3D"color:#fcfcfc;"><span style=3D"background-color:#1b1e2=
0;">&gt;
            I do like the fact that the new migration tool also
            supports: </span></span></p>
      <p
style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;"><spa=
n
          style=3D"color:#fcfcfc;"><span style=3D"background-color:#1b1e2=
0;">&gt;=C2=A0=C2=A0Leap
            =E2=86=92 Tumbleweed or Slowroll</span></span></p>
      <p>=C2=A0</p>
      <p
style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;"><spa=
n
          style=3D"color:#fcfcfc;"><span style=3D"background-color:#1b1e2=
0;">All
            said and done, I watched Lubo=C5=A1 develop the tool and help=
ed
            testing it.=C2=A0 Also helped diagnose the issues people had =
with
            it. That all boiled down to involvement of non-distro repos.<=
br>
            It is pretty simple, when developing such a tool, you cannot
            include all the (currently &gt; 8K of) home:user repos for
            upgrading (from 15.x) to 16.x or whatever version of
            whatever packages. <br>
            ( Things to think about:<br>
            - Are those packages still maintained upstream?<br>
            - Does the packager build the 15.x packages for 16.whatever?<=
br>
            - + 100 more</span></span></p>
      <p
style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;"><spa=
n
          style=3D"color:#fcfcfc;"><span style=3D"background-color:#1b1e2=
0;">)<br>
            =C2=A0To create a healthy upgrade result doing so would requi=
re a
            very lengthy procedure, which would still result in a by no
            means tested OS. </span></span></p>
      <p
style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">A
        couple of years ago I began to restrict my "customers" to distro
        repos ( since 15.6 even Packman and videolan went=C2=A0 out ), an=
d (
        thanks to that ) the opensuse-migration-tool did what it should
        do. And, from own testing in VMs I can tell that the upgrades to
        SR and TW worked fine too. </p>
      <p>=C2=A0</p>
      <p
style=3D"margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;margin-left:0;margin-right:0;">@Car=
los:
        are you aware that what you call "your method" basically is what
        the tool does? And that your method will fail big time, the same
        way if the home:user:package:$releasever is not there or has
        deps that are not available?</p>
    </blockquote>
    <p>It is the same, but manually, so that you have the control of
      zypper dup.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>I said nothing about home repos. I was not considering them. Use
      your own judgement to decide to keep or remove. I discuss the
      matter a bit more in the original thread I referred to.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p>If a repo is not there, the phase "zypper clean ; zypper ref"
      will tell so.</p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
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Cheers / Saludos,
              =20
		Carlos E. R.

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