Re: KDE4 Status update (was: KDE4/Qt4 removal from openSUSE Factory)

Hi

Dne pondělí 8. dubna 2019 11:52:21 CEST, Christophe Giboudeaux napsal(a):
> Based on your feedback only Amarok would be missed.

Not only, but other should be fixed in reasonable time.

> The features mentioned are:

I must say I'm not fun of various eye candy... ehm... wasting of space and 
CPU. ;-) I also don't use on-line services, only podcasts.

> - collection management,

Might be I'd add that it also means various filtering, searching, sorting 
according to year, genre, artist, ...

> - metadata editing

Including batch operations.

> As none of the plasma applets in Amarok 2.9.0 were mentioned, my
> conclusion is that the missing eye candy applets are not an issue.

I'd agree.

> As Wolfgang mentioned earlier, the Amarok development is going slowly,
> I personally don't think it will get a KF5/Qt5 based release.
> Based on your tests, we'll see if it's worth pushing a snapshot package
> to openSUSE Tumbleweed or asking for its removal.

Should we recall question what should be the default music player for KDE?

> We're also interested in hearing whether the other players available
> can suit your needs.

In GTK-based DE, I'd consider Rhythmbox. VLC, MPlayer (and relatives) and 
similar are great for movies, but not for music, especially not for larger 
collections, IMHO.

> Please test and compare the other audio players:
> - Elisa

- Nice design, but to my taste to wasting space and adding just eye candy 
without functions.
- For me too simple, features poor.
- I didn't find way how to edit ID3 tags.
- Searching doesn't work without Baloo indexing content of files (I index only 
files and metadata to save space and resources).
- Managing of playlists is not very convenient. I'd expect more drag and drop. 
For example, I can't just drag and drop album to playlist. I must hover over 
album and click to appearing plus icon. Weird. I can't select more songs and 
move them to different place of playlist (only one by one).
- It doesn't have tray icon to hide in.
- Comparing to Amarok, poor options how to sort music collection.
- No context menu (right click) in playlist and so on.
- No support for podcasts.
- No option to update information about the songs or cover images.

> - Cantata

- It requires mpd, but doesn't install it as dependency. IMHO application 
requiring mpd shouldn't be default. I don't consider its usage very 
straightforward (connection to mpd took relatively long time).
- It doesn't have tray icon to hide in.
- Comparing to Amarok, poor options how to sort music collection.
- It has ID3 tag editing option.
- I like the minimalistic GUI.
- It seems it's able to handle only one folder with music.
- Rich context menu.
- No option to update cover images.
- Supports podcasts.
- Despite all problems (from my point of view), this is the second best app 
from the list.

> - Musique (available in KDE:Extra)

- By default, it sends some usage statistics somewhere. I don't like that.
- Feature poor.
- It doesn't have tray icon to hide in.
- Comparing to Amarok, poor options how to sort music collection.
- It doesn't edit ID3 tags, so no collection management.
- Only one folder for collection.
- No support for podcasts.
- No context menu (right click) in playlist and so on.
- No option to update information about the songs or cover images.
- Overall, I don't like it very much.

> - Yarock  (available in KDE:Extra)

- It took several hours (!) to index my collection (the others did in few 
minutes).
- When I add anything into playlist, id does never ending extreme slow some 
loading of information about the item.
- I strongly dislike its GUI. It seems like total chaos with random placement 
of various items.
- It has try icon.
- Comparing to Amarok, poor options how to sort music collection.
- It doesn't edit ID3 tags, so no collection management.
- It seems there is no option to update information about the songs or cover 
images.
- I didn't find if it supports podcasts or not...
- For me, the worst app from the list (second worst from the list).

> - Clementine

- Old good Amarok. :-) Am I objective when I have been using Amarok since 
KDE3? ;-)
- It has try icon.
- The most feature rich application from the list (if I disregard Amarok 
itself).
- It has plugins, it can convert various audio formats (e.g. mp3 to ogg).
- Rich options to sort  and display music.
- Plenty of space for the playlist.
- I like its relatively minimalistic GUI.
- I could use this instead of Amarok, for me, it's the best app from the list.
- Supports podcasts.

> In approx. 2 weeks, we'll see what should be done with Amarok.

From GTK world I like also Rhythmbox, but I'd rather avoid too much mixing of 
GNOME apps with KDE.
As players, VLC and SMPlayer are also great, but not for larger collections. 
Not much of features discussed above...

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