Re: Konsole displays some characters wrong
Norman Diamond <[email protected]>
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Since the font selection dialog's preview uses Qt widgets instead of whatever Konsole uses, we know that the full-width downarrow character is displayed as full-width by these Linux tools. Furthermore in Suse 11.0 Konsole itself also displayed the full-width downarrow character as full-width. So I think this bug is in the newer version of Konsole itself, not in the rest of Linux. I can't say if the preview window should be removed because it doesn't really provide a preview, but it helped narrow down this bug. I do not agree with your statement that downarrow should be displayed as half-width. It is still the same character that it used to be in ShiftJIS and EUC encodings, and the adoption of Unicode and UTF-8 does not change the width of the glyph. If I the character becomes half-width when I edit source files in Konsole, but it's still full-width when other people edit the same source files in a Gnome terminal or even in Windows, it will result in people scrambling source files. Full-width ａ and half-width a do not have ambiguous widths. Full-width ア and half-width ｱ do not have ambiguous widths. I do not know who decided that downarrow should have an ambiguous width. If the Unicode consortium decided that, they're causing problems. Yours sincerely, Norman Diamond ----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: Fuminobu TAKEYAMA <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] >Date: 2015/6/13, Sat 01:30 >Subject: Re: [opensuse-m17n] Konsole displays some characters wrong > >>> I still think there's a bug. > >Yes, this is clearly a Japanese specific bug. >Could you file a bug report for openSUSE and KDE? > >I saw a patch to fix the same problem with emacs about 5 years ago. >So I think this problem can be resolved by some hacks. > > >>> Konsole knows that the glyph for 字 is full-width, so Konsole should know that >>> the glyph for downarrow is full-width. > >Down arrow is known as ambiguous-width character. >Monospaced font should provide half-width down arrow >but some Japanese fonts such as IPA Gothic and MS Gothic do full-width down arrow >from a kind of historical reason. > > >>> The version of Konsole that was included in Suse 11.0 did know that downarrow is >>> full-width. I never had to look at what the default font was because it just >>> worked. > >Konsole's character layouting was changed recently as far as I know >so that some (flexible-width) bold fonts can be placed correctly. > >I guess it causes this problem. > > >> In the 固定幅フォントを選択 - Konsole panel, the bottom part is a text box. >> I can type or paste text in the text box. >> I↓↓↓↓↓can↓↓↓↓↓paste↓↓↓↓↓five↓↓↓↓↓downarrows, >> and they display correctly in that text box. >> Konsole corrupts the display in its main window, and the preview window does not preview the >corruption. > >Unfortunately, the preview is for font selection dialog and Qt widgets. >It is not preview of Konsole. > >Maybe, the preview should be removed. > > >Fuminobu TAKEYAMA > >On 2015/06/12 7:05, Norman Diamond wrote: >> There is a worse bug. >> >> In the 固定幅フォントを選択 - Konsole panel, the bottom part is a text box. >> I can type or paste text in the text box. >> I↓↓↓↓↓can↓↓↓↓↓paste↓↓↓↓↓five↓↓↓↓↓downarrows, >> and they display correctly in that text box. >> Konsole corrupts the display in its main window, and the preview window does not preview the corruption. >> >> Yours sincerely,Norman Diamond >> >> >> Norman Diamond wrote: >> >>> I click 設定 > 現在のプロファイルを編集(E)... > 外観 >>> In フォント > プレビュー it says Monospace >>> Oh now I see, next to フォントサイズ where it lets me change the size, there's a >>> clickable button to select a font. >>> In that panel it says モノスペース instead of Monospace. >>> >>> Thank you for the workaround. I will experiment with some fonts. I would like >>> to recommend that the preview box should include some full-width characters so >>> that users can judge more easily. If a font doesn't include glyphs for >>> full-width characters then users will see immediately that they shouldn't >>> experiment with such a font. >>> >>> I still think there's a bug. >>> >>> Konsole knows that the glyph for 字 is full-width, so Konsole should know that >>> the glyph for downarrow is full-width. >>> >>> The version of Konsole that was included in Suse 11.0 did know that downarrow is >>> full-width. I never had to look at what the default font was because it just >>> worked. >>> >>> Yours sincerely, >>> Norman Diamond >>> >>> >>> Fuminobu TAKEYAMA wrote: >>> >>>> Ok, Monospace is an alias of IPAGothic on your environment. >>>> >>>> The font, IPAGothic provides double-width down-allow glyph >>>> although Konsole assumes that the glyph should have the same width as >>>> glyphs such as 'a' and '0'. >>>> >>>> A solution is to use another font such as DejaVu Sans Mono. >>>> You can change fonts from: >>>> Settings > Edit Current Profile... > Appearance >>>> >>>> If you do not need Japanese fonts, please uninstall ipa-gothic-fonts. >>>> So another font is to be selected for Monospace. >>>> >>>> >>>> Fuminobu TAKEYAMA >>>> >>>> >>>> On 2015/06/11 6:42, Norman Diamond wrote: >>>>> Yes the font is Monospace. I did not change it from the default. A >>>> Konsole settings panel displayed the name Monospace and allowed me to >>> change the >>>> font size but didn't allow me to select a different font. >>>>> >>>>> For this e-mail I use Yahoo's web interface from Internet Explorer >>> >>>> under Windows, so I translated the output of fc-match -v and fc-match -v >>>> Monospace from UTF-8 to Microsoft's Unicode encoding. Yahoo's web >>>> interface will scramble the text that I will paste below, so I ALSO attach >>> the >>>> outputs as files. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Output of fc-match -v >>>>> >>>>> Pattern has 41 elts (size 48) >>>>> family: "IPA Pゴシック"(s) "IPAPGothic"(s) >>>>> familylang: "ja"(s) "en"(s) >>>>> style: "Regular"(w) >>>>> stylelang: "en"(w) >>>>> fullname: "IPAPGothic"(w) "IPA Pゴシック"(w) >>>>> fullnamelang: "en"(w) "ja"(w) >>>>> slant: 0(i)(s) >>>>> weight: 80(i)(s) >>>>> width: 100(i)(s) >>>>> size: 12(f)(s) >>>>> pixelsize: 12.5(f)(s) >>>>> foundry: "unknown"(w) >>>>> antialias: True(w) >>>>> hintstyle: 0(i)(w) >>>>> hinting: True(w) >>>>> verticallayout: False(s) >>>>> autohint: True(w) >>>>> globaladvance: True(s) >>>>> file: "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ipagp.ttf"(w) >>>>> index: 0(i)(w) >>>>> outline: True(w) >>>>> scalable: True(w) >>>>> dpi: 75(f)(s) >>>>> rgba: 5(i)(w) >>>>> scale: 1(f)(s) >>>>> charset: >>>>> [snip] >>>>> (w) >>>>> lang: >>>> >>> aa|ay|bg|bi|br|ch|cs|da|de|en|eo|es|et|eu|fi|fj|fo|fur|fy|gd|gl|gv|ho|hu|ia|id|ie|io|is|it|ja|kum|lb|mg|nb|nds|nl|nn|no|nr|nso|oc|om|os|pl|pt|rm|ru|sel|sk|sma|smj|so|sq|ss|st|sv|sw|tk|tl|tn|ts|uz|vo|vot|wa|wen|xh|yap|zu|an|csb|fil|hsb|ht|jv|kj|ku-tr|kwm|li|ms|ng|pap-an|pap-aw|qu|quz|rn|rw|sc|sg|sn|su|za(s) >>>>> fontversion: 198574(i)(s) >>>>> capability: "otlayout:hani otlayout:kana otlayout:latn"(w) >>>>> fontformat: "TrueType"(w) >>>>> embeddedbitmap: True(w) >>>>> decorative: False(s) >>>>> lcdfilter: 0(i)(w) >>>>> namelang: "ja"(s) >>>>> prgname: "fc-match"(s) >>>>> hash: >>>> >>> "sha256:a63f6153841e56ec9df1b31a54d98d3f41d8aaa1c3d8df30a33502296f5b8068"(w) >>>>> postscriptname: "IPAPGothic"(w) >>>>> force_hintstyle: "none"(w) >>>>> force_autohint: False(w) >>>>> force_bw: False(w) >>>>> force_bw_monospace: False(w) >>>>> >>>>> Output of fc-match -v Monospace >>>>> >>>>> Pattern has 42 elts (size 48) >>>>> family: "IPAゴシック"(s) "IPAGothic"(s) >>>>> familylang: "ja"(s) "en"(s) >>>>> style: "Regular"(w) >>>>> stylelang: "en"(w) >>>>> fullname: "IPAGothic"(w) "IPAゴシック"(w) >>>>> fullnamelang: "en"(w) "ja"(w) >>>>> slant: 0(i)(s) >>>>> weight: 80(i)(s) >>>>> width: 100(i)(s) >>>>> size: 12(f)(s) >>>>> pixelsize: 12.5(f)(s) >>>>> spacing: 90(i)(w) >>>>> foundry: "unknown"(w) >>>>> antialias: True(w) >>>>> hintstyle: 0(i)(w) >>>>> hinting: True(w) >>>>> verticallayout: False(s) >>>>> autohint: True(w) >>>>> globaladvance: True(s) >>>>> file: "/usr/share/fonts/truetype/ipag.ttf"(w) >>>>> index: 0(i)(w) >>>>> outline: True(w) >>>>> scalable: True(w) >>>>> dpi: 75(f)(s) >>>>> rgba: 5(i)(w) >>>>> scale: 1(f)(s) >>>>> charset: >>>>> [snip] >>>>> (w) >>>>> lang: >>>> >>> aa|ay|bg|bi|br|ch|cs|da|de|en|eo|es|et|eu|fi|fj|fo|fur|fy|gd|gl|gv|ho|hu|ia|id|ie|io|is|it|ja|kum|lb|mg|nb|nds|nl|nn|no|nr|nso|oc|om|os|pl|pt|rm|ru|sel|sk|sma|smj|so|sq|ss|st|sv|sw|tk|tl|tn|ts|uz|vo|vot|wa|wen|xh|yap|zu|an|csb|fil|hsb|ht|jv|kj|ku-tr|kwm|li|ms|ng|pap-an|pap-aw|qu|quz|rn|rw|sc|sg|sn|su|za(s) >>>>> fontversion: 198574(i)(s) >>>>> capability: "otlayout:hani otlayout:kana otlayout:latn"(w) >>>>> fontformat: "TrueType"(w) >>>>> embeddedbitmap: False(w) >>>>> decorative: False(s) >>>>> lcdfilter: 0(i)(w) >>>>> namelang: "ja"(s) >>>>> prgname: "fc-match"(s) >>>>> hash: >>>> >>> "sha256:503af4a8b84d1079b8e2e358dc7f7a7fb8cb7a1f212f35eaef6782dbfc75a55e"(w) >>>>> postscriptname: "IPAGothic"(w) >>>>> force_hintstyle: "none"(w) >>>>> force_autohint: False(w) >>>>> force_bw: False(w) >>>>> force_bw_monospace: False(w) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Fuminobu TAKEYAMA <[email protected]> >>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>> Cc: >>>>>>> Date: 2015/6/10, Wed 19:43 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [opensuse-m17n] Konsole displays some >>> characters >>>> wrong >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Which font do you use on Konsole? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Then, can you share the result of fc-match -v? >>>>>>> If the font is "Monospace" then run the following >>>> command: >>>>>>> $ fc-match -v Monospace >>>>>>> >>>>>>> # you can snip off "charset:" section >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fuminobu TAKEYAMA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 2015/06/09 11:41, Norman Diamond wrote: >>>>>>>> In openSUSE 13.2, in Konsole, downarrow↓displays↓wrong. >>>>>>>> The file encoding, Konsole terminal's encoding, and >>> >>>> vim's >>>>>> encoding >>>>>>> are all UTF-8. >>>>>>>> Five↓↓↓↓↓downarrows↓↓↓↓↓look↓↓↓↓↓like↓↓↓↓↓three. >>>>>>>> vim counts characters properly but the display is >>> wrong. >>>>>>>> more, cat, etc., display wrong. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I used Suse 11.0 for six years. Konsole had no problem >>> with >>>>>> downarrows. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yours sincerely, >>>>>>>> Norman Diamond >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: >>> [email protected] >>>>>>> To contact the owner, e-mail: >>> [email protected] >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> -- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>>> To contact the owner, e-mail: [email protected] >>>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >>> To contact the owner, e-mail: [email protected] >>> >-- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] >To contact the owner, e-mail: [email protected] > > > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] To contact the owner, e-mail: [email protected]