Re: Too many packages in the patterns?

I'll be very happy to help you. However, I do not have a lot of time. How much help do you think you need? I mean, how urgent is that? You just want some tips and directions or want me to do some yast modules for you?

 jordi massaguer i pla
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----- Mensaje original ----
> De: James Tremblay <[email protected]>
> Para: Jordi Massaguer <[email protected]>
> CC: Lars Vogdt <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> Enviado: miércoles, 6 de agosto, 2008 23:52:26
> Asunto: Re: [opensuse-edu] Too many packages in the patterns?
> 
> Jordi Massaguer wrote:
> > Just a hint. If you want to create YaST modules that appear during the 
> installation when selecting the opensuse edu you can "easily" do that by:
> >
> > 1- Write ycp module (obvious :) )
> > 2- make an rpm from that is installed on the system (quite obvious too :) )
> > 3- modify the control.xml on the installed system (not so obvious, but that is 
> the trick :) )
> >
> > The control.xml file on the installed system contains the workflow of the 
> modules you want to run on firstboot, so you could modify that before the first 
> boot and then your modules will be called.
> >
> > I am not sure which is the better way to modify this file, or if the addon 
> yast module does that for you. Actually, that might be the best way, by making 
> the addon yast module do that if it does not already. If you do that, send the 
> patch to the yast people so they integrate it for you at the next versions.
> >
> > hope it helps
> >
> >  jordi massaguer i pla
> > http://jordimassaguerpla.blogspot.com/
> > openSUSE member
> > Novell Certified Linux Professional 10
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Mensaje original ----
> >  
> >> De: James Tremblay 
> >> Para: Lars Vogdt 
> >> CC: [email protected]
> >> Enviado: miércoles, 6 de agosto, 2008 5:28:02
> >> Asunto: Re: [opensuse-edu] Too many packages in the patterns?
> >>
> >> Lars Vogdt wrote:
> >>    
> >>> Hi all
> >>>
> >>> Refering to:
> >>> http://www.opensuse-education.org/mantis/view.php?id=70
> >>>
> >>> it looks like we've too many packages which are installed per default if 
> >>> a user adds the openSUSE-Education Add on (repository or DVD is the 
> >>> same).
> >>>
> >>> I like to give a short explanation about the current structure and 
> >>> the "magic" behind the patterns.
> >>> -----------------------------------[edu-pattern]
> >>> We currently have the following entry in the content file of the 
> >>> repository:
> >>> RECOMMENDS pattern:education-full 
> >>> ^^^ this line adds the pattern file with the same name into the software 
> >>> proposal of YaST.
> >>>
> >>> you can find that pattern in the directory suse/setup/descr/ in the 
> >>> repository (with 11.0 the format changes and all pattern files are 
> >>> pasted together to one gzip'ed pattern file, so have a look at the 10.2 
> >>> or 10.3 pattern to get the example:
> >>>
> >>>      
> >> 
> http://www.opensuse-education.org/download/repo/1.0/10.2/suse/setup/descr/education-full-1.1-13.1.i586.pat
> >>    
> >>> You can see: this pattern file _Req_uires the x11 pattern and 
> >>> _Rec_ommends three edu-patterns:
> >>> education-desktop
> >>> kids-education-desktop
> >>> youth-education-desktop
> >>>
> >>> Now an overview about the current patterns:
> >>> 1) education-desktop
> >>> => Software which can be used in educational enviroments on client site.
> >>> - kiosktool
> >>> - sabayon
> >>> - italc
> >>> ^^^ generic packages which makes the live of an administrator or teacher 
> >>> easier in schools.
> >>>
> >>> 2) kids-education-desktop
> >>> => Software for small kids (4-10 years) which can be used in educational 
> >>> enviroments on client site.
> >>> - gcompris
> >>> - childsplay
> >>> - pysycache
> >>> - ...
> >>> ^^^ "real" packages for the kids
> >>>
> >>> 3) youth-education-desktop
> >>> => Software for youths (11-14 years) which can be used in educational 
> >>> enviroments on client site.
> >>> - LabPlot
> >>> - audacity
> >>> - bluefish
> >>> - ...
> >>> ^^^ "real" packages for older children
> >>>
> >>> We also have two patterns for server applications right now:
> >>> - edu-server
> >>> - kiwi-ltsp
> >>> ^^^ those patterns are NOT selected by default. People who try to setup 
> >>> a server have to select them manually.
> >>>
> >>> All pattern files are created as normal RPM packages and are "developed" 
> >>> using Subversion and a simple directory and file structure. So neither 
> >>> adding packages nor translating the descriptions is a big deal.
> >>>
> >>> Some examples and information can be found here:
> >>> 
> http://en.opensuse.org/Education/Development#The_development_of_pattern_files
> >>>
> >>> -----------------------------------[/edu-pattern]
> >>>
> >>> So I want to ask for help!
> >>>
> >>> * Please provide some new proposals how we can split the current 
> >>> patterns into smaller parts.
> >>> * Which patterns and packages should be installed per default?
> >>> * Which packages should be suggested ?
> >>>
> >>> With kind regards,
> >>> Lars
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>      
> >> Lars and the Team,
> >> It is great that we are  able to "build" so much software for the 
> >> Education repository. Great work and Thanks to all of you!  Now we need 
> >> to create a real product. I had always thought that we could add 
> >> questions to the YaST installer to make the "add-on" more useful to 
> >> school IT people and parents. I would like to suggest that we separate 
> >> the repository into "folders" that represent the install 
> >> environments|patterns and age groups already defined (see above) then if 
> >> it's possible "inject" questions into the existing YaST module or create 
> >> a new YaST installer for the add-on DVD to install these groups. I'm 
> >> thinking that putting the DVD into an already running system could 
> >> "autorun" a web page that contains  "One-Click" YMP's and the pattern 
> >> descriptions. (could this module also figure out which desktop is used 
> >> and exclude KDE only packages on a Gnome machine or vice versa?) . When 
> >> installing the OS on a machine, choosing the ADD-ON media and inserting 
> >> the disk would add a few extra questions to the YaST installer that are 
> >> the same choices as the YMP's in the autorun.
> >> example-
> >> Thanks for choosing the openSUSE Education ADD-On!
> >> Do you want to build an :
> >> education-server
> >> y or n
> >> kids-education-desktop designed for children ages 4-10
> >> y or n
> >> youth-education-desktop designed for children ages 11-14
> >> y or n
> >> secondary education-desktop designed for ages 15 - adult
> >> y or n
> >> Do you want classroom management tools?
> >> y or n
> >>
> >> I believe that the desktop\classroom management tools such as italc 
> >> should be offered as an individual choice. I don't  think it's necessary 
> >> for us subdivide the groups beyond basic age and desktop.
> >>
> >> Do we need to create a wiki page that includes a spreadsheet\table that 
> >> allows us to separate the packeages? example
> >> title, gnome, kde, 4-10, 11-14, 15-adult.
> >> tuxpaint,yes, , yes, ,
> >> then we can know for sure which packages to include in each group.
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> Jordi,
> Thank you for the suggestions. Do you know of someone who could lead us 
> in this direction?
> I am just learning some PHP and PostgreSQL (and loosing hair doing it) 
> and have no experience with ycp and my rpm skills are non-existant.
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