Re: Xsession and LDM_DEFAULT_SESSION thoughts

hi,
Am Mittwoch, den 18.06.2008, 10:05 -0400 schrieb Warren Togami:
> I'm told that GNOME upstream plans on eliminating .dmrc sometime in the 
> near future.  For this same reason they refused to agree upon and 
> implement a global equivalent of dmrc.
i was talking about per-user settings here, what do they propose
upstream to retain a cross desktop way to set your default session
settings without ~/.dmrc ? there must be an equivalent for that (a
freedesktop.org spec or whatever), i cant imagine such an important
feature just being dropped without replacement of the functionallity.
but in any case user setting have to be stored in teh users config
residing in the users home imho so that ldm can take care for it at
login time ...
> 
> > 
> > (one of the visions of muecow and ltsp5 was that we wont need lts.conf
> > anymore, i wouldnt like to see that reverting to the 4.x behavior
> > through distros that wont work without setting it up, lets rather find a
> > sane default or an in-code solution instead of introducing any
> > "*_DEFAULT" variables)
> 
> But in any case even if Xsession (without parameter) has a server-side 
> configurable default session, I still see it as useful to have 
> *availability* of an override switch that is ldm specific.
> 
> I do recognize that this option is likely not useful to you, but it 
> shouldn't effect you, so why is this controversial?
because that would defeat the purpose of the last three years of work
gone into ltsp5 and the vision that you dont need lts.conf anymore ... i
dont like the idea that there is a distro out there forcing the use of
lts.conf to set a default value that could be set more elegantly in the
code whats so wrong with using the "Xsession default" call for all
distros instead ? 

forcing the use of lts.conf for a default is a *massive* step backwards
and i will always oppose it.
> 
> > 
> >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=436912
> >> Currently if a user chooses the non-default session from the LDM menu, 
> >> then it runs that command directly (like startkde or startxfce4) instead 
> >> of passing through the Xsession script.  This is a problem for us 
> >> because Xsession does things like xinput* scripts that setup Input 
> >> Method support.
> > and thats definately a bug, i thought it appends the parameter to the
> > script but apprently it doesnt, lets just fix this one :)
> > 
> 
> OK, but I hope all distros TEST their Xsession script to be sure it does 
> the right thing with the $1 parameter.  I'll just do this part, push it 
> upstream and we'll get test results.
thanks for that, will test asap ....


ciao
	oli

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