Re: Discuss list

William Kern wrote:
> Christian Haugan Toldnes wrote:
>> So the only real answer to Ari=EBns question is:
>> No, almost nobody is still reading tsl-discuss, and yes, the vast =

>> majority of the community has moved away to other distributions.
>>
>>   =

> =

> I guess that brings up the question as to whether TSL can be 'restored' =

> to a more active status.

No, it brings up the question as to whether TSL is relevant in todays =

distribution marketplace.

The answer to that question is "No", and has been "No" for quite some =

time now. It was "No" a long time before the last of the original =

developers left.

What does Trustix Secure Linux have, that sets it apart from the other =

distributions, even today:
1. The word "Secure" in its name.
2. No freedom to include a lot of tested, supported prebuilt packages.
3. I'm at loss.

Trustix Secure Linux has NOTHING. Ohh, yeah, I forgot.. SWUP. Well, I =

rewrote most of SWUP to it's current codebase, and probably know the =

code better than anyone else today. SWUP isn't relevant. We tested SWUP =

on CentOS, it didn't work. We tested SWUP on Mandriva, it didn't work.

Guess what: The only reason SWUP works is that the rpm packages =

generated at Trustix has undergone great scrutiny to be 100% correct, so =

that SWUP can handle them. And SWUP works because there are extremely =

few packages. More packages forces SWUP to become extremely slow.

SWUP and rdfgen forces the rpm package developers to do everything as =

good as they can. But no distribution needs that. in most cases, 80% is =

enough. When was the last time your heard anyone having problems with =

dependencies between supported prebuilt binary packages? RPM-hell is a =

relic of the past. SWUP is irrelevant, because there are other tools out =

there that outperforms SWUP any day of the week.

SWUP could have been much more relevant, had it undergone continuously =

development over the years. Take a look at the SWUP source rpm. Read the =

Changelog...  "2005-08-12 - SWUP version 2.7.15" This was the date I =

added the latest changes to SWUP. The only change was to add a cgi to be =

able to use swup as a search engine for trustix.org:
http://www.trustix.org/component/option,com_wrapper/Itemid,67/

Irrelevant. :)

> =

> I still like TSL and have several machines running it.

Cool you still like it. Too bad your stuck with those machines.

>  =

> I also have a lot of machines running CentOS/RedHat for clients and they =

> work fine, but I find that
> I miss the nice lightweigth TSL distro. It gave me everything I need =

> without having to go in  and
> disable/remove the extra crap.

Try installing Ubuntu Server. You get nothing you don't absolutely need, =

just like TSL. Same way with most other distributions today. TSL =

identified that as a problem early on, and dealt with it. The others =

came around, and since TSL haven't evolved since then, it's not needed.

Small distros that takes the technology further is always needed. TSL =

haven't been innovative for the last many years.

> =

> Certainly there is a need for a 'TSL' like distro in the linux community.

All major distributions are equal to or better than TSL at everything =

TSL tries to be today.



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