Re: re: wysiwyg www-editors..

OK Now this is my primary annoyance with the other OSes, Microsoft 
in particular. 

Why is EASY always considered superior?  Even when it places severe 
limits on what you can do, the general public considers it better.

But its not.

I can produce a much more accurate representation of what I want if 
I work the mark-up language by hand.  Even when I use a tool to create 
the basic framework, I go back and massage the results.

Remember how long it took you to learn how to use a pencil?  Why shouldn't 
it take time to learn how to use a computer?  This is the single most 
complicated tool that you will ever use.  The more time you invest into
learning it, the more you will get out of it.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 12:49:11PM -0800, John Andersen wrote:
> and BURN a flameing email in which they will spout all kinds of
> platitudes about crappy html comming out of gui tools, and
> REAL MEN(tm) write it by hand using only a text editor, and whine
> about the violence done to their perfectly written html by some gui
> editors, and how only an IDIOT would use a gui tool, etc, adnauseum.
> And the flame will be pontifical, preachy, condescending, 
> authoritative-sounding, belittling, full of thou-shalls and thou-shants, 
> offering a whole raft of command line tools and perl scripts etc etc...)

Why is crappy html important?  Page size.  If its a popular website then it
matters to how many customers you can serve at once.  Simple economics.

And FYI Frontpage used to included code that broke non-Microsoft browsers.
Which again reduces the number of people that can see your site.  

In the end, its about control.  Geeks want it and are willing to invest
the time to get it.

> Flame as you will, but in the mean time how about suggesting a good GUI page
> building tool with built in FULL-Site management, collaboritive site
> preparation, spell checking, drag-n-drop insertions, drag-n-drop site
> reorganization, built in script construction, site wide link validation,

Since you won't tell us what you've already tried, this is a silly guessing 
game that can't be won.

Why don't you either join the community and help develop the tool you want or 
just go back to using frontpage?

Dave V.

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