Re: Using SMARTd to monitor drives
Ray Andrews <[email protected]> Fri, 03 Feb 2017 17:10:04 -0800
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On 03/02/17 12:11 PM, Gregory Sloop wrote:
> Re: [smartmontools-support] Using SMARTd to monitor drives
>
> *
> *This certainly isn't an attempt at snark - but smartmontools is, I=
=20
> think, intended at sysadmin type people. There are tools for end-us=
ers=20
> that are less technical and more idiot-light style.=20
I'm not an idiot but at the same time there are folks who want utilit=
y=20
without devoting years of study to get it.
> I think, in general, that I'd prefer smartmontools to keep the=20
> detailed technical focus and not have the more friendly interface, =
if=20
> doing so meant that the technical prowess of smt had to be diminish=
ed.=20
Does it really have to be one or the other?
> [All projects are resource limited - and spending more time on one=
=20
> thing usually means less somewhere else.]
>
> And note that smt is provided to users at no cost. Those "easy"=
=20
> programs aren't free and, IMO, provide less - so the "cost" for the=
m=20
> is dual; you get less technical detail and programmatic control, an=
d a=20
> closed eco-system, with no access to source code, etc along with th=
e=20
> license fees.
>
> />/*A basic tutorial or howto would be very nice!
>
> *And here's where you can "pay-it-forward" so to speak. Christian h=
as=20
> done all this work for you [and me] for no charge. How about you sp=
end=20
> some time giving back to the community and do a well-written FAQ?=
=20
> Again, this isn't meant as an attack, just a gentle reminder that t=
his=20
> is a community, and a community's success is measured by how well t=
he=20
> whole community steps up to take on their responsibilities and offe=
r=20
> their time/money/resources.
>
No, that's fine, a very valid request. You know, I believe that the=
=20
only ones who can write a useful how-to are the people who have just =
now=20
learned how to do something because once you are an expert, you forge=
t=20
what it was like to not be an expert. We 'forget what we know', that=
=20
is, we know things without being aware of the knowledge and so we for=
get=20
to write them down for the one who knows nothing -- things become too=
=20
obvious to mention. For Christian it is now second nature how SMT wo=
rks=20
so he has no empathy for the newbie, that's understandable. If I mys=
elf=20
could become competent I'd do just as you say! Alas, I'm still tryin=
g=20
to figure it out myself.
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 03/02/17 12:11 PM, Gregory Sloo=
p
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote cite=3D"mid:[email protected]"
type=3D"cite">
<title>Re: [smartmontools-support] Using SMARTd to monitor driv=
es</title>
<br>
<br>
<span style=3D" font-family:'courier new'; font-size: 9pt; colo=
r:
#800000;"><b><br>
</b><span style=3D" color: #000000;">This certainly isn't an
attempt at snark - but smartmontools is, I think, intended =
at
sysadmin type people. There are tools for end-users that ar=
e
less technical and more idiot-light style. </span></span></=
blockquote>
<br>
I'm not an idiot but at the same time there are folks who want
utility without devoting years of study to get it.<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite=3D"mid:[email protected]"
type=3D"cite"><span style=3D" font-family:'courier new'; font-s=
ize:
9pt; color: #800000;"><span style=3D" color: #000000;">I thin=
k, in
general, that I'd prefer smartmontools to keep the detailed
technical focus and not have the more friendly interface, i=
f
doing so meant that the technical prowess of smt had to be
diminished. </span></span></blockquote>
<br>
Does it really have to be one or the other?<br>
<br>
<blockquote cite=3D"mid:[email protected]"
type=3D"cite"><span style=3D" font-family:'courier new'; font-s=
ize:
9pt; color: #800000;"><span style=3D" color: #000000;">[All
projects are resource limited - and spending more time on o=
ne
thing usually means less somewhere else.] <br>
<br>
And note that smt is provided to users at no cost. Those
"easy" programs aren't free and, IMO, provide less - so the
"cost" for them is dual; you get less technical detail and
programmatic control, and a closed eco-system, with no acce=
ss
to source code, etc along with the license fees.<br>
<br>
<span style=3D" font-family:'arial'; font-size: 8pt; color:
#c0c0c0;"><i>></i><span style=3D" font-family:'courier
new'; font-size: 9pt; color: #800000;"><b>A basic tutor=
ial
or howto would be very nice!<br>
<br>
</b><span style=3D" color: #000000;">And here's where y=
ou
can "pay-it-forward" so to speak. Christian has done =
all
this work for you [and me] for no charge. How about y=
ou
spend some time giving back to the community and do a
well-written FAQ? Again, this isn't meant as an attac=
k,
just a gentle reminder that this is a community, and =
a
community's success is measured by how well the whole
community steps up to take on their responsibilities =
and
offer their time/money/resources.<br>
<br>
</span></span></span></span></span></blockquote>
No, that's fine, a very valid request.=A0 You know, I believe tha=
t the
only ones who can write a useful how-to are the people who have j=
ust
now learned how to do something because once you are an expert, y=
ou
forget what it was like to not be an expert.=A0 We 'forget what w=
e
know', that is, we know things without being aware of the knowled=
ge
and so we forget to write them down for the one who knows nothing=
--
things become too obvious to mention.=A0 For Christian it is now
second nature how SMT works so he has no empathy for the newbie,
that's understandable.=A0 If I myself could become competent I'd =
do
just as you say!=A0 Alas, I'm still trying to figure it out mysel=
f.<br>
<br>
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