Re: Contributor convenant

Le 09/04/2017 14:01, Philipp A. a écrit :
> i’m sure they weren’t. neither by those who wrote the contributor
> covenant, nor by those who committed it here.
> 
> i see the problems you mentioned, and one more: the CC doesn’t prevent
> bullying, it just forces bullies to act differently.
Indeed.
But it goes further than that.
These rules if followed to the letter are what stops people from evolving.
By evolving I mean the simple fact of having experience from possible
events.
It's some sort of Darwinism but of the mind.
How can one gain experience if everything can be seen has bad ?
How do we strengthen our minds if we constantly shelter ourselves ?
> instead of using hurtful language, they just have to come up with believable accusations
> against the victim, and the CC will require to treat those alleged
> perpetrators with extreme prejudice. if anything, this makes bullying
> more effective: assholes using hurtful language can be called out.
> assholes who throw around baseless accusations usually can’t, and the CC
> asks others to support accusers.
> 
> as long as people are sensible and not sticklers to the rules, this is
> no issue. but in that case, not using any CC or just laying down some
> basic rules will be enough as well.
Some people will call that common sense.
Most of the rules of the CC are already in the laws.
And there's a reasons that our ancestors haven't put some of them in it.
And even with these laws it isn't stopping people from going over it.
There is actually no way to stop people but the one of education and
argumentation.
Speech must bring more speech, not enforced silence.
We have to learn to put up with the fact that some people say things
that we don't like.
We can only live together in that way; if we are to live together and
not die together.

> 
> best, philipp
> 
> mdn <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
> schrieb am So., 9. Apr. 2017 um 01:19 Uhr:
> 
>     Le 09/04/2017 00:01, Albert Astals Cid a écrit :
>     > El dissabte, 8 d’abril de 2017, a les 21:54:07 CEST, mdn va escriure:
>     >> Hello,
>     >> Today I have been informed that the CoC named the "Contributor
>     >> convenant" has been added to the freedesktop.org
>     <http://freedesktop.org> wiki.
>     >> https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/CodeOfConduct/
>     >
>     > As a freedesktop project maintainer i find this very sad.
>     >
>     > I don't disagree with having a Code of Conduct, but creating one
>     and forcing
>     > it without any kind of input from the community is totally *bad*
>     conduct.
>     You can never make people do anything.
>     --Marshall B. Rosenberg
> 
>     Surely no bad intentions were in mind.
>     >
>     > Albert
>     >
>     > P.S: If this was discussed somewhere please point me where, it may
>     just be
>     > that i'm a bad maintainer and i'm not subscribed to the proper places.
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