Re: [ydl-gen] quid ps3 linux after 2012 - addendum

Derick:

Debian is still actively developing a desktop PPC version, the newest stabl=
e release, Squeeze, having been released just this past February.  Now, it'=
s on to Wheezy.

I am at the moment installing the latest test version, just out today, on m=
y PowerMac G4 digital audio.  Hopefully, a bug in the Squeeze installer tha=
t assigned the wrong sound module to my particular machine has been fixed.

True, no one is making any money off this endeavor.  But, the bottom line i=
s not the only line.

Cheers, Tom

On Mar 9, 2011, at 10:25 AM, Derick Centeno wrote:

> Thanks, I appreciate the correction.
> =

> The question however remains in terms of the quality of PowerPC support.
> =

> There is a bit of a difference between support for IBM POWER server
> architectures, which institutions (corporate and educational) tend to
> use versus consumer grade computers such as the various older Apple and
> other PowerPC desktop/laptop products which yet remain available on ebay
> or elsewhere becoming increasingly more expensive to replace when one or
> another of these consumer grade products break down.  This situation is
> something I'm very familiar with by the way, and I can testify to the
> challenge and difficulty of an individual justifying the expense of
> hundreds of dollars to repair a component needed by a home-based PowerPC
> system one owns versus what institutions can pay or afford out of "petty
> cash" or other easily available funding or other sources.
> =

> The economies of scale are very, very different.
> =

> Between the choice of expenditures a sole individual must consider
> essentials such as food, or child support or other responsibilities -
> car/bus fare to search or find work, rent, produce r=E9sum=E9s, etc. -
> versus replacing an expensive component for an aging machine utilizing
> Linux software which no longer receives primary support (example Fedora
> nor Ubuntu provide primary level support for PowerPC systems).
> =

> Many will switch to x86_Linux running on Intel or Cygwin or Cygwin-X
> (which runs within Windows 7 while recreating the Linux environment)
> because for the same hundreds one would spend on a PowerPC component one
> can acquire either a new duo- or quad-core system which incorporates
> IBM's advances past the PowerPC/Cell era!
> =

> The independent individual when their system is broken cannot bother
> with the nuances of the superior architecture of the PowerPC/Cell
> because it is no longer a platform which they can work on instead one
> must face that it has become something which must be replaced if they
> are a student or even other professional experiencing various stages of
> financial stress where money is sparse.  Replacement for the
> professional is even more important in any attempt to keep one's skill
> set even close to current; again in such a scenario individual's cannot
> choose as easily as those associated with corporations and/or academic
> institutions or research centers.
> =

> Although I appreciate learning that Gentoo Linux (and others) are active
> in supporting the PowerPC the repairs I, and I'm sure others, need to
> make on the PowerPC one has are such that it is actually cheaper to
> acquire an x_86 system removing myself, and others similarly affected,
> from using any PowerPC Linux thereby causing in effect an ever smaller
> pool of PowerPC Linux users.
> =

> The financial realities are such that although I'm happy to learn that
> at least three distributions continue to develop for the PowerPC, the
> finances independent individuals face, who are not connected to research
> or academic or corporate institutions, are forcing a greater contraction
> of users away from PowerPC Linux.
> =

> Oddly enough support for Linux mobile systems via Android are growing,
> but that is a different technology platform entirely which doesn't
> matter to the independent individual whose system requires repairs.
> =

> =

> =

> On 3/9/2011 5:54 AM, nello martuscielli wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Atro Tossavainen
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> There are no Linux distributions actively developing either for the
>>>> PowerPC or the Cell.  Linux has moved on to develop for multi-core Int=
el
>>>> and similar systems.
>>> =

>>> The recently released Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 continues to be
>>> supported on IBM POWER server architectures, which are "ppc".
>>> =

>>> This is of zero interest and no consequence to PowerPC workstation user=
s,
>>> but it does invalidate the point that there would be no Linux distribut=
ions
>>> actively developing for the Power architecture.
>>> =

>> =

>> indeed, there are also Gentoo, CRUX PPC and Archlinux PPC.
>> =

>> =

>> cheers,
>> nell
>> --
>> Power Mac G4 AGP 450MHz - CRUX PPC (32bit) 2.7
> =

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