Re: Considering resignation as maintainer

Dave Cooper <[email protected]> Sun, 9 Jan 2022 21:16:33 -0500
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Please do not resign. The scenario you describe says more about Stas
Bouarev than about you. If indeed you start receiving complaints from
people due to Stas' tactics, then please forward them to me.

By the way, how is it that Stas has control over Ediware packages?



On Sun, Jan 9, 2022 at 4:55 PM Robert Goldman <[email protected]> wrote:

> I have discovered that Stas Bokuraev is continuing to refuse to update Edi
> packages to modern ASDF system-naming.
>
> This would not be bad in and of itself, because these are open source
> systems, and they can be forked.
>
> What *is* bad is that he has publicly stated that he is doing this hoping
> that the resulting warnings will break people's systems and thus cause them
> to get angry and complain to me about ASDF checking system names.
>
> What is even worse is that the CL community tacitly accepts this as normal
> behavior.
>
> I would like to see the CL open source community pause and consider what
> constitutes a healthy community. I don't believe that someone trying to
> break things in order to pressure a volunteer maintainer of infrastructure
> is something that a healthy community should accept.
>
> If the community prefers a more rough-and-tumble approach, I can accept
> that, but if so it's time for the community to find an ASDF maintainer who
> is more in harmony with the values it (at least implicitly) espouses.
>


-- 
My Best,

Dave Cooper, [email protected]
genworks.com, gendl.org
+1 248-330-2979

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Please do not resign. The scenario you describe s=
ays more about Stas Bouarev than about you. If indeed you start receiving c=
omplaints from people due to Stas&#39; tactics, then please forward them to=
 me.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>By the way, how is it that Stas has con=
trol over Ediware packages?=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun=
, Jan 9, 2022 at 4:55 PM Robert Goldman &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rpgoldman@sif=
t.info">[email protected]</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-l=
eft-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><u></u=
>




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<div style=3D"font-family:sans-serif"><div style=3D"white-space:normal">
<p dir=3D"auto">I have discovered that Stas Bokuraev is continuing to refus=
e to update Edi packages to modern ASDF system-naming.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">This would not be bad in and of itself, because these are o=
pen source systems, and they can be forked.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">What <em>is</em> bad is that he has publicly stated that he=
 is doing this hoping that the resulting warnings will break people&#39;s s=
ystems and thus cause them to get angry and complain to me about ASDF check=
ing system names.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">What is even worse is that the CL community tacitly accepts=
 this as normal behavior.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">I would like to see the CL open source community pause and =
consider what constitutes a healthy community.  I don&#39;t believe that so=
meone trying to break things in order to pressure a volunteer maintainer of=
 infrastructure is something that a healthy community should accept.</p>

<p dir=3D"auto">If the community prefers a more rough-and-tumble approach, =
I can accept that, but if so it&#39;s time for the community to find an ASD=
F maintainer who is more in harmony with the values it (at least implicitly=
) espouses.</p>
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</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div><div=
 dir=3D"ltr"><div>My Best,<br><br>Dave Cooper, <a href=3D"mailto:david.coop=
[email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a><br><a href=
=3D"http://genworks.com" target=3D"_blank">genworks.com</a>, <a href=3D"htt=
p://gendl.org" target=3D"_blank">gendl.org</a><br>+1 248-330-2979<br></div>=
<div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>

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