Re: "Little Lisper" lambda logo and possible derivative (was: Re: Request for comments: Design of common-lisp.net and Logo)

Sure, go ahead, fine with me.

—Guy

> On Sep 25, 2015, at 1:43 PM, Dave Cooper <[email protected]> wrote:
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> Dear Mr. Steele,
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> Thank you for securing the rights to your logo from "the Little Lisper" and granting them for use by the Common Lisp Foundation and on common-lisp.net <http://common-lisp.net/>.  You can see the current state of things on http://common-lisp.net <http://common-lisp.net/>.  We hope you find our current use of the logo to be appropriate. 
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> There has been some discussion of "morphing" this logo into something a bit more CL-specific (e.g. morphing the upside-down lambda on the left into something resembling a "C"), for use by the CL community, and to represent the CL language in general. 
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> Would you have any issues with us going ahead and working on a derivative? Of course I think you should be entitled to have veto power over any proposed alternatives we come up with. 
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> Best Regards,
> 
>  Dave Cooper
>  Secretary, Common Lisp Foundation
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> P.S. if you would like to follow the discussion in more detail, please feel free to join the mailing list [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>  (if you're not already on it ;):
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> On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Dave Cooper <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
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> Hi Cherie,
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> Have you been following this discussion? 
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> What do you think of forking something a bit more CL-specific off of Guy Steele's double-lambda logo (for CLF as well as for use on common-lisp.net <http://common-lisp.net/>) (see below)? 
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> Please advise,
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>  Dave
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> P.S. For those of you on clo-devel who don't know Cherie Yang, she is the designer-in-chief for common-lisp.net <http://common-lisp.net/>.  The reported stylesheet issue would also be of interest to Cheryl, if she hasn't seen that yet. 
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> On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 9:43 AM, Max Rottenkolber <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Sep 2015 08:56:44 -0400, Dave Cooper wrote:
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> >> > Second, I noticed that we (as in the CL community) don't seem to have
> >> > a language logo. There are a handful of Lisp logos but none that
> >> > exclusively say “Common Lisp”. I think common-lisp.net <http://common-lisp.net/> could use one
> >> > especially. I would be interested in “crowd sourcing” a logo for the
> >> > CL community by ways of a public poll. The question is, what
> >> > should/could be in a CL logo?
> >> >
> >>
> >
> > The rights to the logo currently being used at common-lisp.net <http://common-lisp.net/> (attached)
> > were granted to the Common Lisp Foundation by Guy Steele. You may recognize
> > this as coming from the cover of The Little Lisper.
> >
> > I realize this logo does not explicitly say "Common Lisp."
> >
> > How about morphing the upside-down lambda on the left into something like a
> > "C" (and leaving the other lambda alone, since this is already a form of
> > letter "L") ?
> 
> I had the same idea in fact, but I realized that my graphics skills are
> not sufficient to produce an acceptable result. ;) I had the following
> idea: Why not organize a public submission period and then hold a public
> poll to find a canonical logo? I imagine it like this:
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>  1. Provide a trusted public submission portal (e.g. “mail your
>     submission to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>”).
>  2. Announce submission deadline on all public CL forums (mailing lists,
>     nntp, reddit, planet lisp, ...)
>  3. Hold a public poll on the submitted logos (again announce on all
>     forums)
>  4. Declare the most popular the new community logo
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> I would volunteer to organize the process, and I think c-l.net <http://c-l.net/> is in a
> position to provide the necesary “neutral ground”. I think there are some
> benefits to this approach as we can outsource the graphical talent and
> get a result that the community decided on. :)
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> -- 
> My Best,
> 
> Dave Cooper
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> -- 
> My Best,
> 
> Dave Cooper
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> +1 248-330-2979
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