Re: ChatGPT ???

Just, please, if something like this is considered, if its impossible to 
not install it at all, add an option to turn it completely off.    The 
more genius a feature is, the more important it is to have a way to 
disable it.


On 9/29/2025 5:40 PM, Alexey Veretennikov (as alexey dot veretennikov at 
protonmail dot com) wrote:
> I use Claude to ask some questions, look at the code, get some ideas. 
> Never use what it produces since usually it is quite bad style code, 
> rolling out function which are already implemented in standard library 
> and following bad patterns. But its the same as to get inspiration 
> from  open source projects - code might vary a lot in quality, from 
> brilliant ideas to garbage. I use it to C/C++ code and never for Lisp.
>
> Copilot Enterprise does pretty good job in guessing what I want to 
> write next, and sometimes I auto complete with it boilerplate code 
> (loops over iterators etc). It works pretty well for writing unit 
> tests with a lot of repeating declarations, after you correct its 
> suggestions a couple of times, it starts to be better at following the 
> patterns. It is horrible to do anything with math though, but could 
> easily type in equations straight from wikipedia in C/C++ form in a 
> style following the code in the file. I wouldn't say it increased my 
> productivity a lot, but maybe 5-10%.
>
> So in general it is useful, but not to the extent community self 
> proclaimed leaders want us to believe. I think for example the impact 
> of LLVM on the industry was way bigger than any modern AI tooling for 
> a tiny fraction of the cost.
> Too bad so much resources went as usual wrong way.
>
> Saying that, I don't think it would be a bad idea to have copilot 
> integration in LW in a chat mode as a tool with ability to easily add 
> context(open buffers) to ask questions, like gptel Emacs extension 
> does. I even wrote it to LW support as a feature request. This tooling 
> is here to stay and all modern IDEs should support it (even Emacs does 
> with gptel/copilot.el).
>
> BR,
> /Alexey
>
> On Monday, September 29th, 2025 at 22:21, Eben Bruyns (as eben at sdk 
> dot co dot nz) <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I'll see you and raise you!
>>
>> I had Claude code just flat out lie to me about running tests and the 
>> results. I've also had it refuse to do repetitive tasks, the output 
>> was "this is too tedious", it wrote a script that did the job wrong 
>> and called it production ready. It's honestly uncanny how much it 
>> behaves like an over confident bad junior dev! The number of times 
>> you'll see "this is perfect, flawless, ship it" when it doesn't even 
>> pass basic smoke tests is unreal.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Eben Bruyns
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 29 Sept 2025 at 16:44, David McClain (as dbm at 
>> refined-audiometrics dot com) <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>     I just had a session with ChatGPT, wherein I caught it outright
>>     fabricating information to me. Not just once, but three times.
>>
>>     It likes to present examples using Python code. I translated its
>>     Python code to Lisp to double check the answers it gives.
>>
>>     I asked it for a function to convert dBSPL to Phons, and back. If
>>     you don’t know what that is, it isn’t really important for this
>>     discussion. It has to do with Equal-Loudness contours and the
>>     Fletcher-Munson curves for human hearing.
>>
>>     By definition, the Phons scale equals the dBSPL scale at 1 kHz.
>>     It varies at other frequencies in a nonlinear manner.
>>
>>     But ChatGPT’s model produces 91 Phon for 40 dBSPL at 1 kHz. It is
>>     off by more than 50 dB !!
>>
>>     When I told it about the error, it apologized profusely, stating
>>     it knew where the error was. GPT said the error was because it
>>     didn’t take into account the threshold of hearing.
>>
>>     But that would have produced an error of absolute magnitude less
>>     than 1 dB. So once again, it is lying to me. I told it to stop
>>     giving me handwaving excuses for its errors.
>>
>>     It apologized again, with another silly handwaving argument, and
>>     produced another answer referring to Python’s iso226 model. I
>>     demanded to see that Python code and it finally gave me a URL
>>     that actually pointed to the source code. That is the final
>>     straight answer.
>>
>>     It took me an hour to get a straight, correct, answer from
>>     ChatGPT. It willfully misleads. So watch out when using it!!
>>
>>     I cannot imagine a clueless management class individual actually
>>     running their company on the promise of such flimsy AI. At best,
>>     ChatGPT might serve as an encyclopedia, but should not be trusted
>>     unless you know more about the subject that it does.
>>
>>
>>
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