Re: The myth of fingerprints, er, no, garbage collectors
"Bradford Miller (as bradford dot w dot miller at gmail dot com)" <[email protected]> Wed, 1 Jul 2026 08:57:37 -0400
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--Apple-Mail=_CBD1C9E1-9500-4A39-9DF4-1E359887A1CD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Good question. I=E2=80=99m familiar with CM-Lisp (a common lisp variant) = and *Lisp (which had a bunch of unusual characters, jealous of APL I = guess) but I have no direct evidence of a scheme. Certainly none = provided by Thinking Machines, but there is some peripheral evidence = that it may have existed though it=E2=80=99s mostly circumstantial = (e.g., Steele was there for a while, and Scheme did have support for = concurrency). > On Jul 1, 2026, at 3:44=E2=80=AFAM, Tim Bradshaw <[email protected]> wrote: >=20 > Was there a Scheme? There was *Lisp, but was there a Scheme as well? >=20 > --tim >=20 >> On 30 Jun 2026, at 18:41, Bradford Miller (as bradford dot w dot = miller at gmail dot com) <[email protected]> wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BF >>=20 >>> On Jun 30, 2026, at 1:14=E2=80=AFPM, David McClain (as dbm at = refined-audiometrics dot com) <[email protected]> wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> I think around the 1990 era, the Scheme Language was invented for = use on the Connection Machine by Guy Steele?=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >> Scheme was invented by Sussman and Steele to experiment with Hewitt = Actors in 1975.=20 >>=20 >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheme_(programming_language) >>=20 >> While there was (apparently, I=E2=80=99m not familiar myself) a = version of Scheme that ran on the CM, it was not written specifically = for the CM nor was the CM invented yet. That grew out of Danny = Hillis=E2=80=99s thesis, published 10 years later in 1985, growing out = of work he proposed in 1981.=20 >>=20 >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danny_Hillis --Apple-Mail=_CBD1C9E1-9500-4A39-9DF4-1E359887A1CD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html aria-label=3D"message body"><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" = content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body = style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; = line-break: after-white-space;">Good question. I=E2=80=99m familiar with = CM-Lisp (a common lisp variant) and *Lisp (which had a bunch of unusual = characters, jealous of APL I guess) but I have no direct evidence of a = scheme. Certainly none provided by Thinking Machines, but there is some = peripheral evidence that it may have existed though it=E2=80=99s mostly = circumstantial (e.g., Steele was there for a while, and Scheme did have = support for concurrency).<br = id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div>On Jul 1, 2026, at 3:44=E2=80=AFAM, Tim Bradshaw = <[email protected]> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type"= content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div dir=3D"auto"><div = dir=3D"ltr"></div><div dir=3D"ltr">Was there a Scheme? There was = *Lisp, but was there a Scheme as well?</div><div = dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">--tim</div><div = dir=3D"ltr"><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">On 30 Jun 2026, at 18:41, = Bradford Miller (as bradford dot w dot miller at gmail dot com) = <[email protected]> = wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div = dir=3D"ltr">=EF=BB=BF<meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" = content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><br = id=3D"lineBreakAtBeginningOfMessage"><div><br><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div>On Jun 30, 2026, at 1:14=E2=80=AFPM, David McClain = (as dbm at refined-audiometrics dot com) <[email protected]> = wrote:</div><div><div style=3D"overflow-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: = after-white-space;"><br><div><br></div><div>I think around the 1990 era, = the Scheme Language was invented for use on the Connection Machine by = Guy = Steele? </div><div><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><div>= Scheme was invented by Sussman and Steele to experiment with Hewitt = Actors in 1975. </div><div><br></div><div><div style=3D"display: = block;"><div style=3D"-webkit-user-select: all; -webkit-user-drag: = element; display: inline-block;" class=3D"apple-rich-link" = draggable=3D"true" role=3D"link" = data-url=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheme_(programming_language)"><= a style=3D"border-radius:10px;font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, = Arial, = sans-serif;display:block;-webkit-user-select:none;width:300px;user-select:= none;-webkit-user-modify:read-only;user-modify:read-only;overflow:hidden;t= ext-decoration:none;" class=3D"lp-rich-link" rel=3D"nofollow" = href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheme_(programming_language)" = dir=3D"ltr" role=3D"button" draggable=3D"false" width=3D"300"><table = style=3D"table-layout:fixed;border-collapse:collapse;width:300px;backgroun= d-color:#E6E6E6;font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, = sans-serif;" class=3D"lp-rich-link-emailBaseTable" cellpadding=3D"0" = cellspacing=3D"0" border=3D"0" width=3D"300"><tbody><tr><td = vertical-align=3D"center"><table bgcolor=3D"#E6E6E6" cellpadding=3D"0" = cellspacing=3D"0" width=3D"300" = style=3D"table-layout:fixed;font-family:-apple-system, Helvetica, Arial, = sans-serif;background-color:rgba(230, 230, 230, = 1);-apple-color-filter:initial;" = class=3D"lp-rich-link-captionBar"><tbody><tr><td style=3D"padding:8px = 0px 8px 0px;" class=3D"lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStackItem"><div = style=3D"max-width:100%;margin:0px 16px 0px 16px;overflow:hidden;" = class=3D"lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack"><div = style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;font-weight:500;font-size:12px;overflow:hidd= en;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left;" = class=3D"lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack-topCaption-leading"><a = rel=3D"nofollow" = href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheme_(programming_language)" = style=3D"text-decoration: none" draggable=3D"false"><font = color=3D"#272727" style=3D"">Scheme (programming = language)</font></a></div><div = style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;font-weight:400;font-size:11px;overflow:hidd= en;text-overflow:ellipsis;text-align:left;" = class=3D"lp-rich-link-captionBar-textStack-bottomCaption-leading"><a = rel=3D"nofollow" = href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheme_(programming_language)" = style=3D"text-decoration: none" draggable=3D"false"><font = color=3D"#808080" = style=3D"">en.wikipedia.org</font></a></div></div></td><td = style=3D"padding:6px 12px 6px 0px;" = class=3D"lp-rich-link-captionBar-rightIconItem" width=3D"30"><a = rel=3D"nofollow" = href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheme_(programming_language)" = draggable=3D"false"><div><wikipedia.png></div></a></td></tr></tbody>= </table></td></tr></tbody></table></a></div></div></div><div = style=3D"display: block;"><br></div><div style=3D"display: block;">While = there was (apparently, I=E2=80=99m not familiar myself) a version of = Scheme that ran on the CM, it was not written specifically for the CM = nor was the CM invented yet. 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