Re: Fwd: Intel native MCL
Benjamin Perrault <[email protected]> Sat, 4 Jun 2011 20:45:23 -0700
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--===============5012229136018984499== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-3-373325354 --Apple-Mail-3-373325354 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Though i do love Clozure CL - even with the trunk version of the idea, = it just doesn't "feel" as good as MCL ( or MCLIDE ). In fact, 95% of the = time when I use Clozure, I use MCLIDE for that reason. Which brings another question ( and this is surely the wrong list ): = Has anyone considered migrating MCLIDE over to CCL? It to is a PPC = binary which mean's it's life is shortened in it's current state. It = appears to be almost a full MCL implementation ( so I'm sure porting may = be awful ) but with Terje's patch to generate Cocoa interface Code under = Clozure, it is pretty close to what I'm looking for. With that said, I suppose it's time to get down and dirty CCL's IDE and = start voicing my opinion as it seems I will have to kiss MCL goodbye in = the near future ( except on my G4 cube which I keep around to run Opcode = Studio Vision, MCL 4.x and SK8 ).... Thanks for the feed back.... cheers, -bp On Jun 4, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Shannon Spires wrote: > There will never be an Intel-native MCL. It's too much work for too = little gain. >=20 > That's the bad news. The good news is that Clozure CL is of course = already Intel-native and its compiler is superior to MCL's in many ways = beyond just being Intel-native. >=20 > CCL's Cocoa IDE is not yet quite up to the facility of MCL's IDE, but = it's getting close. I've been using it exclusively for Lisp development = for about 6 months now, and it's good enough that I no longer find = myself periodically yelling at the computer and launching MCL. It's = moved from alpha quality to beta quality. >=20 > One thing that would be very helpful in improving the CCL Cocoa IDE is = for MCL veterans to use it and provide feedback (to Clozure or to this = list) of your top n "dealbreaker" issues that you need working to make = the CCL IDE usable. As I said, my dealbreakers list is now empty and I'm = working on my "it would be very nice if" list, but if you have any = dealbreakers of your own please voice them. >=20 > Clozure and several volunteers are working on the IDE and your = feedback always helps them prioritize issues. >=20 > Shannon Spires >=20 >=20 > Begin forwarded message: >=20 >> From: Benjamin Perrault <[email protected]> >> Date: June 4, 2011 6:00:40 PM MDT >> To: <[email protected]> >> Subject: [info-mcl] Intel native MCL >> Reply-To: Discussion list for MCL users <[email protected]> >>=20 >> I've been using MCL a lot (again) lately, but one looming concern I = have is it seems to still be very much a PPC centric app ( or I'm = building it wrong because it always comes out as one ). >>=20 >> Has there been any progress on making it an intel native app, as Lion = appears to have no PPC support? >>=20 >> This is something I've just realized and MCL ( and MCLIDE, which I = use for Clojure and Clozure CL ) seem to be the only non-intel apps I = have let and there really is no replacement for either of them.... >>=20 >> Anyway - just curious if that ball is rolling. I'm not good enough of = a lisp hack to help much on that low of a level but I wanted to ask... >>=20 >> cheers and thanks, >> -bp >> _______________________________________________ >> info-mcl mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/info-mcl >>=20 > _______________________________________________ > info-mcl mailing list > [email protected] > http://clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/info-mcl --Apple-Mail-3-373325354 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii <html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; = ">Though i do love Clozure CL - even with the trunk version of the idea, = it just doesn't "feel" as good as MCL ( or MCLIDE ). In fact, 95% of the = time when I use Clozure, I use MCLIDE for that = reason.<div><br></div><div>Which brings another question ( and this is = surely the wrong list ): Has anyone considered migrating MCLIDE = over to CCL? It to is a PPC binary which mean's it's life is shortened = in it's current state. It appears to be almost a full MCL implementation = ( so I'm sure porting may be awful ) but with Terje's patch to generate = Cocoa interface Code under Clozure, it is pretty close to what I'm = looking for.</div><div><br></div><div>With that said, I suppose it's = time to get down and dirty CCL's IDE and start voicing my opinion = as it seems I will have to kiss MCL goodbye in the near future ( except = on my G4 cube which I keep around to run Opcode Studio Vision, MCL 4.x = and SK8 )....</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks for the feed = back....</div><div><br></div><div>cheers,</div><div>-bp<br><div><div><br><= div><div>On Jun 4, 2011, at 6:32 PM, Shannon Spires wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div = bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>There will never be an Intel-native MCL. It's = too much work for too little gain.</div><div><br></div><div>That's the = bad news. The good news is that Clozure CL is of course already = Intel-native and its compiler is superior to MCL's in many ways beyond = just being Intel-native.</div><div><br></div><div>CCL's Cocoa IDE is not = yet quite up to the facility of MCL's IDE, but it's getting close. I've = been using it exclusively for Lisp development for about 6 months now, = and it's good enough that I no longer find myself periodically yelling = at the computer and launching MCL. It's moved from alpha quality to beta = quality.</div><div><br></div><div>One thing that would be very helpful = in improving the CCL Cocoa IDE is for MCL veterans to use it and provide = feedback (to Clozure or to this list) of your top n "dealbreaker" issues = that you need working to make the CCL IDE usable. As I said, my = dealbreakers list is now empty and I'm working on my "it would be very = nice if" list, but if you have any dealbreakers of your own please voice = them.</div><div><br></div><div>Clozure and several volunteers are = working on the IDE and your feedback always helps them prioritize = issues.</div><div><br></div><div>Shannon Spires<br><br><br>Begin = forwarded message:<br><br></div><blockquote = type=3D"cite"><div><b>From:</b> Benjamin Perrault <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>><br><= b>Date:</b> June 4, 2011 6:00:40 PM MDT<br><b>To:</b> <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>><br><b>Su= bject:</b> <b>[info-mcl] Intel native MCL</b><br><b>Reply-To:</b> = Discussion list for MCL users <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a>><br><br><= /div></blockquote><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><span>I've = been using MCL a lot (again) lately, but one looming concern I have is = it seems to still be very much a PPC centric app ( or I'm building = it wrong because it always comes out as one = ).</span><br><span></span><br><span>Has there been any progress on = making it an intel native app, as Lion appears to have no PPC = support?</span><br><span></span><br><span>This is something I've just = realized and MCL ( and MCLIDE, which I use for Clojure and Clozure CL ) = seem to be the only non-intel apps I have let and there really is no = replacement for either of = them....</span><br><span></span><br><span>Anyway - just curious if that = ball is rolling. I'm not good enough of a lisp hack to help much on that = low of a level but I wanted to = ask...</span><br><span></span><br><span>cheers and = thanks,</span><br><span>-bp</span><br><span>______________________________= _________________</span><br><span>info-mcl mailing = list</span><br><span><a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a></span><br><s= pan><a = href=3D"http://clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/info-mcl">http://clozure.com/m= ailman/listinfo/info-mcl</a></span><br><span></span><br></div></blockquote= ></div>_______________________________________________<br>info-mcl = mailing list<br><a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br><a = href=3D"http://clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/info-mcl">http://clozure.com/m= ailman/listinfo/info-mcl</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div><= /body></html>= --Apple-Mail-3-373325354-- --===============5012229136018984499== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ info-mcl mailing list [email protected] http://clozure.com/mailman/listinfo/info-mcl --===============5012229136018984499==--