Re: Re: Gossip Digest, Vol 38, Issue 4

Great suggestion....I like that.  We'll play with search word 
highlighting when you browse to a page via the search results.

Jeff Marshall
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On Thu, 7 Sep 2006 4:03 pm, barry beattie wrote:
>
> my 2c worth:
>
> just as important as decent search functionality is the ability to 
> quickly review the results for relevance.
>
> one of the things I like about Google is the keywords being *bolded* in 
> the search results (like mail-archive.com already does) but in using 
> Google's "cached" link, shows the item in full with the keywords 
> highlighted. It makes it brilliant to see the keywords in context, 
> allowing quick scanning of the item for relevance - down to a couple of 
> seconds. Additionally, seeing the keywords in full context is far more 
> useful to me than some indicator saying the item has "75%" relevance...
>
>> A tutorial would be helpful.
>
> can I respectfully suggest that if a tutorial is needed then it's not 
> intuitive enough anyway? At least not without a bit of experimentation 
> to see what makes it tick...
>
> just some polite suggestions, nothing more
>
> cheers
> barry.b
>
>
>
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>> Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2006 21:01:09 -0700
>> From: "Jeff Breidenbach" <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [Gossip] search library battle royale
>> To: "Mac Oglesby" <[email protected]>
>> Cc: [email protected]
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>>> I don't understand a lot of what's been said about evaluating these
>>> search engines, but I'll comment anyway.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, appreciated. Much of what's been said is just me having fun.
>>
>>
>>> Since, for me at least, easy to use but full-featured search software
>>> is a vital part of any archive, the ideal search engine should be
>>> powerful, yet intuitive to operate, or come with good instructions. A
>>> tutorial would be helpful.
>>>
>>
>> That's a great point. Once we've settled on which search
>> software to use, I promise to make sure there's a "help" link
>> leading to some examples. In the meantime,  here's some
>> documentation from the two vendors. To my eye, they are both
>> offer ridiculously overpowered. Kind of like monster trucks. :)
>>
>> PyLucene:
>> http://lucene.apache.org/java/docs/queryparsersyntax.html.
>>
>> Xapian:
>> http://www.xapian.org/docs/queryparser.html
>>
>>
>>> I'd like to be able to search the results of an earlier search.
>>>
>>
>> Here's an example of two searches. The second will return a
>> subset of the first.
>>
>>   "Mac Oglesby"
>>   "Mac Oglesby" AND machines
>>
>> Xapian even has a super fancy algorithm that tries to figure out
>> subtopics within search results. It is way too confusing for my taste,
>> but you can see it action below. Apparently the software thinks
>> you are into dipleidoscopes and ebay. Are you?
>>
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/omega/omega?P=%22Mac+Oglesby%22&DEFAULTOP=or&DB=sundial%40rrz.uni-koeln.de&FMT=query.orig&xP=Rmac.Roglesby.machin.&xDB=sundial%40rrz.uni-koeln.de&xFILTERS=--O
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 09:26:04 -0400
>> From: Mac Oglesby <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: [Gossip] search library battle royale
>> To: [email protected]
>> Cc: [email protected]
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>> Hi Jeff,
>>
>>
>>> Once we've settled on which search
>>> software to use, I promise to make sure there's a "help" link
>>> leading to some examples. In the meantime,  here's some
>>> documentation from the two vendors. To my eye, they are both
>>> offer ridiculously overpowered. Kind of like monster trucks. :)
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your time and the examples you developed. And thanks for 
>> your promise to post a help link. Please keep in mind that when those 
>> of you who already know a process try to explain it to those of us who 
>> don't, the result, far too often, is about as clear as mud.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Xapian even has a super fancy algorithm that tries to figure out
>>> subtopics within search results. It is way too confusing for my taste,
>>> but you can see it action below. Apparently the software thinks
>>> you are into dipleidoscopes and ebay. Are you?
>>>
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/cgi-bin/omega/omega?P=%22Mac+Oglesby%22&DEFAULTOP=or&DB=sundial%40rrz.uni-koeln.de&FMT=query.orig&xP=Rmac.Roglesby.machin.&xDB=sundial%40rrz.uni-koeln.de&xFILTERS=--O
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, just about everyone is into eBay. And if you aren't into 
>> dipleidoscopes yet, what's holding you back?    ;-)
>>
>> It's almost frightening how much information we voluntarily put out 
>> there for anyone to see!
>>
>> It's beyond frightening to see what that Xapian search string looks 
>> like!
>>
>> On the other hand, it seems as though you intend to improve our 
>> archive search tools and help us understand how to use them.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Mac
>>
>>
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