Re: Alternatives for vexim, perfectly integrated into debian?
Fábio Rabelo <[email protected]> Tue, 7 Sep 2010 14:11:16 -0300
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--===============1086768111== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c38941c1021048fae7c24 --0015174c38941c1021048fae7c24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe this can help you : http://stefans.datenbruch.de/rootserver/vexim.shtml Fabio Rabelo 2010/9/7 J=C3=B6rg Ro=C3=9Fdeutscher <[email protected]> > Hello, > > > at first let me express I am very thankful to the people that made vexim = to > what it is. Thanks for your work. > > I have used vexim a lot of years and now, that I am setting up another > mailserver, I am looking for a different solution. > > > Let me explain that: > I dislike how vexim "breaks" the configuration that comes with my debian = or > ubuntu. The exim configuration, as installed by the distribution DVD, is > just kind of "overwritten" (not in filesystem terms) by vexim. > So, what I win here are the features of vexim, but what I lose are the on= es > of debian. The system is a mixture of both, and often I have problems > similar to: > > - I change something in spamassassin. Nothing changes. Why? After an hour= I > find out that I have changed a file that is relevant to plain installatio= n, > but not to vexim. > > - exim out-of-the-debian-box has features like SSL-support with keys > generated by "the system". vexim is not doing that for me. So I have to > search the net for something exim already was able to do, before vexim > "downgraded" that feature. The same is true for SPF or other > debian-enhancements. > > - Often I cannot even find out what the problem is to debug "irritating" > problems. For example, I found out that our outgoing(!) mail is > spam-checked, and in case of a false positive the report in the X-header = may > contain german umlauts is irritating the remote mailserver crazy. I am > pretty sure the original debian exim will not behave that way, since it > "knows" which domains are local ones. So where=C2=B4s the problem? exim? = vexim? > spamd? spamassassin? See "existing, but not used configuration files" abo= ve. > > - I=C2=B4ve installed original debian clamav. Vexim never used it. Did ne= ver > find out why. For sure it can be done, but it does not integrate itself f= rom > alone like "original" exim+clamav. > > > So, I am really interested in a solution that doesn=C2=B4t fit "any syste= m", but > fit debian 100%. For example, uses the values from the apt-framework to f= ind > out it=C2=B4s own domain etc., like exim.deb does, immediately uses clama= v > because it "knows" it is installed, the same with spamassassin,=E2=80=A6 > > > > BTW, I am aware of exim4U, and it looks for me like it has the same > "problem": You are overwriting the whole debian configuration to death. > Stuff like this is horrible: > > > Copy Exim4U's exim configuration files from etc/exim/* to the target > machine: > > cp -r * /etc/exim > > A good integration should be, for example, a patchfile to the original > config, or, even better, a .deb-package supported by official debian. > > Does such a tool exist? > > > Bye, > J=C3=B6rg > > > _______________________________________________ > Vexim mailing list > [email protected] > http://silverwraith.com/mailman/listinfo/vexim > --0015174c38941c1021048fae7c24 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe this can help you :<br><br><a href=3D"http://stefans.datenbruch.de/ro= otserver/vexim.shtml">http://stefans.datenbruch.de/rootserver/vexim.shtml</= a><br><br><br>Fabio Rabelo<br><br><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/9= /7 J=C3=B6rg Ro=C3=9Fdeutscher <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:joer= [email protected]">[email protected]</a>&= gt;</span><br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde= r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">Hello,<br> <br> <br> at first let me express I am very thankful to the people that made vexim to= what it is. Thanks for your work.<br> <br> I have used vexim a lot of years and now, that I am setting up another mail= server, I am looking for a different solution.<br> <br> <br> Let me explain that:<br> I dislike how vexim "breaks" the configuration that comes with my= debian or ubuntu. The exim configuration, as installed by the distribution= DVD, is just kind of "overwritten" (not in filesystem terms) by = vexim.<br> So, what I win here are the features of vexim, but what I lose are the ones= of debian. The system is a mixture of both, and often I have problems simi= lar to:<br> <br> - I change something in spamassassin. Nothing changes. Why? After an hour I= find out that I have changed a file that is relevant to plain installation= , but not to vexim.<br> <br> - exim out-of-the-debian-box has features like SSL-support with keys genera= ted by "the system". vexim is not doing that for me. So I have to= search the net for something exim already was able to do, before vexim &qu= ot;downgraded" that feature. The same is true for SPF or other debian-= enhancements.<br> <br> - Often I cannot even find out what the problem is to debug "irritatin= g" problems. For example, I found out that our outgoing(!) mail is spa= m-checked, and in case of a false positive the report in the X-header may c= ontain german umlauts is irritating the remote mailserver crazy. I am prett= y sure the original debian exim will not behave that way, since it "kn= ows" which domains are local ones. So where=C2=B4s the problem? exim? = vexim? spamd? spamassassin? See "existing, but not used configuration = files" above.<br> <br> - I=C2=B4ve installed original debian clamav. Vexim never used it. Did neve= r find out why. For sure it can be done, but it does not integrate itself f= rom alone like "original" exim+clamav.<br> <br> <br> So, I am really interested in a solution that doesn=C2=B4t fit "any sy= stem", but fit debian 100%. For example, uses the values from the apt-= framework to find out it=C2=B4s own domain etc., like exim.deb does, immedi= ately uses clamav because it "knows" it is installed, the same wi= th spamassassin,=E2=80=A6<br> <br> <br> <br> BTW, I am aware of exim4U, and it looks for me like it has the same "p= roblem": You are overwriting the whole debian configuration to death. = Stuff like this is horrible:<br> <br> > Copy Exim4U's exim configuration files from etc/exim/* to the targ= et machine:<br> > cp -r * /etc/exim<br> <br> A good integration should be, for example, a patchfile to the original conf= ig, or, even better, a .deb-package supported by official debian.<br> <br> Does such a tool exist?<br> <br> <br> Bye,<br> J=C3=B6rg<br> <br> <br> _______________________________________________<br> Vexim mailing list<br> <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br> <a href=3D"http://silverwraith.com/mailman/listinfo/vexim" target=3D"_blank= ">http://silverwraith.com/mailman/listinfo/vexim</a><br> </blockquote></div><br> --0015174c38941c1021048fae7c24-- --===============1086768111== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ Vexim mailing list [email protected] http://silverwraith.com/mailman/listinfo/vexim --===============1086768111==--