RE: out there suggestion...

We wish, this however, does imply buy-in from the webmail providers.
Technically, gotmail is while not illegal, certainly unpaid for by ads as 
far as they are concerned, so why would they provide wsdl so people can 
avoid their ads?
(I actually got the original idea while thinking that pywebmail was made in 
python, and used xml, and gotmail was written in perl, the other "can make 
xml sing and dance" language...)
But the point was mostly not if, but WHEN the next interface change for 
webmail provider comes, to kinda agree on what changed and how to "describe 
it", so all that work isn't duplicated between projects.

I like the idea of wsdl, and it certainly is useful, but it's very much out 
its league here because it wasn't meant for a hostile environment...  In 
fact, I'm sure one of its features applies to access controls for 
publishers...

(That with seven different webmail systems, checking email is just 
prohibitive for me to check, has never crossed their minds and is no 
concern of theirs, after all, to them, I can just check email without ads, 
as long as it isn't theirs...  That I'd take the ads if they were properly 
attributed emails I could download is also besides the point: they know I'd 
have the choice to read them or notm which is my right, but is against the 
point of ads...)


--On December 17, 2003 1:00 +0000 Ben Staniford <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> You're not the only one :-)  Have you heard of WSDL (Web service
> description language)?  Microsoft, Sun and IBM and are all piling loads
> of money into XML based web services for websites (there's open source
> stuff too I think) so that programs don't break when the interface
> changes.  The WSDL is stored in a public directory (Like LDAP) so that
> anyone can go and check out the interface and write programs for it.
> There are cool programs for java/perl etc that allow you to auto
> generate a set of classes (called stub classes) for the web services
> interface so all you have to do is call the methods from within your
> program and you can access all the data from the website.  You can
> already get these XML interfaces for amazon.com and many others.  So,
> once everyone has them, HTML changes won't break things like they do
> now.
>
> Benj..
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:gotmail-
>> [email protected]] On Behalf Of E H R
>> Sent: 17 December 2003 00:41
>> To: [email protected]
>> Subject: [gotmail] out there suggestion...
>>
>> I have a rather large collection of webmails(on different systems) and
> tend
>> to need a whole collection of daemons to run them all, now I was
> looking at
>> one of them(for mail.com) and I remembered that since the hotmail and
> yahoo
>> rebuilds, a lot of work was going on.  Now I know the other
>> project(pywebmail) doesn't use the same language as gotmail(perl) but I
>> thought it was interesting it used xml for storing webmail-server
>> behaviour...  Could some kind of collaborative effort, perhaps using
> those
>> same xml files, be built, so that there is less duplication of effort
> when
>> hotmail et al decide to make our lives difficult?
>>
>> I've used fetchyahoo, gotmail, mrpostman, hotwayd, web2pop and
> pywebmail(at
>> least) so far, and I did notice that keeping up with the provides is
>> probably the largest part of the update work.
>>
>> Am I the only one who sees a great idea in this ?
>>
>>
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