RE: Gotmail-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 22
"Omar Villanueva" <[email protected]> Fri, 19 Dec 2003 00:23:11 -0300
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Hey guys, can anybody send me a fully working gotmail version??? (to my mail account [email protected]) I read everywhere that you're using don't-know-wich version but i still can't get it to work!! Please, help. Thanx a lot. >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Gotmail-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 22 >Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:52:25 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Received: from monty-python.gnu.org ([199.232.76.173]) by >mc1-f27.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Thu, 18 Dec 2003 >11:51:35 -0800 >Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=monty-python.gnu.org)by >monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.24)id 1AX58D-0006JJ-Ebfor >[email protected]; Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:52:25 -0500 >X-Message-Info: JGTYoYF78jGslyhjeq0l6Q/QQmT7BG6b >X-BeenThere: [email protected] >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.2 >Precedence: list >List-Id: <gotmail-list.nongnu.org> >List-Unsubscribe: ><http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list>,<mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> >List-Archive: <http://mail.gnu.org/pipermail/gotmail-list> >List-Post: <mailto:[email protected]> >List-Help: <mailto:[email protected]?subject=help> >List-Subscribe: ><http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list>,<mailto:[email protected]?subject=subscribe> >Errors-To: [email protected] >Message-Id: <[email protected]> >Return-Path: [email protected] >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Dec 2003 19:51:35.0265 (UTC) >FILETIME=[57A92D10:01C3C5A0] > >Send Gotmail-list mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > >You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Gotmail-list digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: out there suggestion... (John Fruetel) > 2. gotmail sorta working (Kerry Blalock) > 3. Re: out there suggestion... (Dan Wilson) > 4. Re: out there suggestion... (Roger Knobbe) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 22:22:20 -0800 >From: "John Fruetel" <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [gotmail] out there suggestion... >To: <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Using the WebDav protocol (like hotwayd does) is by far the best way. OE >doesn't break because it uses this protocol. I'm not sure how well >documented that interface is though. I was looking at the hotwayd page and >it looks like they do an excellent job getting messages, but some of the >things that gotmail does, like only getting new messages, might be a little >more difficult in WebDav. Still, I don't really know that much about the >WebDav protocol. If it's powerful enough to do the stuff that gotmail >does, >like delete messages, only-get new messages, stuff like that, I'm all for >it. Paul Cannon knows quite about this, maybe he can offer some >suggestions. > >I think you might have to be a little bit of an old-timer like me to >remember those days when OE displayed those stupid ads. They only did that >for a short time; I think Microsoft was pressured into it by companies >buying ads for the hotmail site that were never seen by OE users. It made >OE downright UGLY though and they stopped doing it. > >Who knows why MS changed the web interface. How many users does >hotmail.com >have? Over 100 million? I suppose they're just trying to make their site >mork attractive as a 'portal' and maybe more consistent with other MS >products. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian Forth" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:48 PM >Subject: RE: [gotmail] out there suggestion... > > > > Since MS changed their hotmail pages that last time that broke gotmail >I > > have been using OE 6 (6.00.2800.1123)and would like to report there are >no > > ads in that interface so I can't that being the main driving force >behind >MS > > changing the site on a regular basis. Not being a programmer I can't >really > > offer any suggestions as to how to fix the perl script but it would seem >to > > me that since OE doesn't break there has to be some way to get around MS > > changing it's site? > > > > Brian > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] > > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf > > Of John Fruetel > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:27 PM > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [gotmail] out there suggestion... > > > > > > I've actually thought about this quite a bit. Gotmail is basically a >fancy > > 'screen scraper' that looks like a regular user to Hotmail. As such, >it's > > prone to break every time MS changes the hotmail pages, like what just > > happened. > > > > Paul Cannon, who worked on this project just before I did, also works on > > hotwayd. According to Paul, the http mail protocol isn't 100% either. >I'd > > rather Paul spoke about this, but I got the impression from him that the > > http mail protocol isn't a bad of roses either. Although it's not as >likely > > to break as gotmail is, it has it's own set of problems. > > > > I write web services all the time at work. In fact, I use the amazon > > webservices to test things. I even have a webservice on bigfatdude to >check > > e-mails for spaminess. > > > > The problem here is that Microsoft doesn't seem to want to make it easy >to > > use Hotmail via a webservice. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, but >as > > far as I know http mail is still sorta proprietary to MS and they don't >seem > > interested in opening it up. They want you to go to the web page to use > > hotmail and see all the advertising. In fact, some years ago, Outlook > > Express would show the same ads as hotmail when you used OE as a hotmail > > client. > > > > So, I guess I'm agreeing here... There is a lot of 'cross-over' >development > > happening here. But I think that gotmail might be a little more >functional > > than hotwayd at the moment. By 'functional', I mean it can do more. >But >if > > hotwayd can indeed do all the low-level functionality that gotmail >needs, > > I'm all for using it in the future. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Ben Staniford" <[email protected]> > > To: "'E H R'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:00 PM > > Subject: RE: [gotmail] out there suggestion... > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > You're not the only one :-) Have you heard of WSDL (Web service > > > description language)? Microsoft, Sun and IBM and are all piling >loads > > > of money into XML based web services for websites (there's open source > > > stuff too I think) so that programs don't break when the interface > > > changes. The WSDL is stored in a public directory (Like LDAP) so that > > > anyone can go and check out the interface and write programs for it. > > > There are cool programs for java/perl etc that allow you to auto > > > generate a set of classes (called stub classes) for the web services > > > interface so all you have to do is call the methods from within your > > > program and you can access all the data from the website. You can > > > already get these XML interfaces for amazon.com and many others. So, > > > once everyone has them, HTML changes won't break things like they do > > > now. > > > > > > Benj.. > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: [email protected] > > > [mailto:gotmail- > > > >[email protected]] On Behalf Of E H R > > > >Sent: 17 December 2003 00:41 > > > >To: [email protected] > > > >Subject: [gotmail] out there suggestion... > > > > > > > >I have a rather large collection of webmails(on different systems) >and > > > tend > > > >to need a whole collection of daemons to run them all, now I was > > > looking at > > > >one of them(for mail.com) and I remembered that since the hotmail and > > > yahoo > > > >rebuilds, a lot of work was going on. Now I know the other > > > >project(pywebmail) doesn't use the same language as gotmail(perl) but >I > > > >thought it was interesting it used xml for storing webmail-server > > > >behaviour... Could some kind of collaborative effort, perhaps using > > > those > > > >same xml files, be built, so that there is less duplication of effort > > > when > > > >hotmail et al decide to make our lives difficult? > > > > > > > >I've used fetchyahoo, gotmail, mrpostman, hotwayd, web2pop and > > > pywebmail(at > > > >least) so far, and I did notice that keeping up with the provides is > > > >probably the largest part of the update work. > > > > > > > >Am I the only one who sees a great idea in this ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > >Gotmail-list mailing list > > > >[email protected] > > > >http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gotmail-list mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gotmail-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous > > content and is believed to be clean. > > > > > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous > > content and is believed to be clean. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gotmail-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:19:55 -0500 (EST) >From: "Kerry Blalock" <[email protected]> >Subject: [gotmail] gotmail sorta working >To: <[email protected]> >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > >I have gotmail v 8, I believe, working on one user on my postfix, >squirrellmail, RH 9 system. I set it up with a cron job that runs every 15 >minutes, and reads the info in users .gotmailrc file. >I have another user, using spanish language in squirrelmail, that I cannot >get gotmail to retrieve hotmail. It grinds and grinds, but does not get >the mail. >If needed, I can get the message I receive at the end. >Thanks for a great product, >Kerry > > > with other MS products. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Forth" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 9:48 PM > > Subject: RE: [gotmail] out there suggestion... > > > > > >> Since MS changed their hotmail pages that last time that broke gotmail > >> I have been using OE 6 (6.00.2800.1123)and would like to report there > >> are no ads in that interface so I can't that being the main driving > >> force behind > > MS > >> changing the site on a regular basis. Not being a programmer I can't > > really > >> offer any suggestions as to how to fix the perl script but it would > >> seem > > to > >> me that since OE doesn't break there has to be some way to get around > >> MS changing it's site? > >> > >> Brian > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [email protected] > >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf > >> Of John Fruetel > >> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:27 PM > >> To: [email protected]; [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [gotmail] out there suggestion... > >> > >> > >> I've actually thought about this quite a bit. Gotmail is basically a > > fancy > >> 'screen scraper' that looks like a regular user to Hotmail. As such, > >> it's prone to break every time MS changes the hotmail pages, like what > >> just happened. > >> > >> Paul Cannon, who worked on this project just before I did, also works > >> on hotwayd. According to Paul, the http mail protocol isn't 100% > >> either. > > I'd > >> rather Paul spoke about this, but I got the impression from him that > >> the http mail protocol isn't a bad of roses either. Although it's not > >> as > > likely > >> to break as gotmail is, it has it's own set of problems. > >> > >> I write web services all the time at work. In fact, I use the amazon > >> webservices to test things. I even have a webservice on bigfatdude to > > check > >> e-mails for spaminess. > >> > >> The problem here is that Microsoft doesn't seem to want to make it > >> easy to use Hotmail via a webservice. Somebody can correct me if I'm > >> wrong, but > > as > >> far as I know http mail is still sorta proprietary to MS and they > >> don't > > seem > >> interested in opening it up. They want you to go to the web page to > >> use hotmail and see all the advertising. In fact, some years ago, > >> Outlook Express would show the same ads as hotmail when you used OE as > >> a hotmail client. > >> > >> So, I guess I'm agreeing here... There is a lot of 'cross-over' > > development > >> happening here. But I think that gotmail might be a little more > > functional > >> than hotwayd at the moment. By 'functional', I mean it can do more. > >> But > > if > >> hotwayd can indeed do all the low-level functionality that gotmail > >> needs, I'm all for using it in the future. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Ben Staniford" <[email protected]> > >> To: "'E H R'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:00 PM > >> Subject: RE: [gotmail] out there suggestion... > >> > >> > >> > Hello, > >> > > >> > You're not the only one :-) Have you heard of WSDL (Web service > >> description language)? Microsoft, Sun and IBM and are all piling > >> loads of money into XML based web services for websites (there's > >> open source stuff too I think) so that programs don't break when the > >> interface changes. The WSDL is stored in a public directory (Like > >> LDAP) so that anyone can go and check out the interface and write > >> programs for it. There are cool programs for java/perl etc that > >> allow you to auto generate a set of classes (called stub classes) > >> for the web services interface so all you have to do is call the > >> methods from within your program and you can access all the data > >> from the website. You can already get these XML interfaces for > >> amazon.com and many others. So, once everyone has them, HTML > >> changes won't break things like they do now. > >> > > >> > Benj.. > >> > > >> > >-----Original Message----- > >> > >From: [email protected] > >> > [mailto:gotmail- > >> > >[email protected]] On Behalf Of E H R Sent: > >> 17 December 2003 00:41 > >> > >To: [email protected] > >> > >Subject: [gotmail] out there suggestion... > >> > > > >> > >I have a rather large collection of webmails(on different systems) > >> and > >> > tend > >> > >to need a whole collection of daemons to run them all, now I was > >> > looking at > >> > >one of them(for mail.com) and I remembered that since the hotmail > >> and > >> > yahoo > >> > >rebuilds, a lot of work was going on. Now I know the other > >> > >project(pywebmail) doesn't use the same language as gotmail(perl) > >> but I thought it was interesting it used xml for storing > >> webmail-server behaviour... Could some kind of collaborative > >> effort, perhaps using > >> > those > >> > >same xml files, be built, so that there is less duplication of > >> effort > >> > when > >> > >hotmail et al decide to make our lives difficult? > >> > > > >> > >I've used fetchyahoo, gotmail, mrpostman, hotwayd, web2pop and > >> > pywebmail(at > >> > >least) so far, and I did notice that keeping up with the provides > >> is probably the largest part of the update work. > >> > > > >> > >Am I the only one who sees a great idea in this ? > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >_______________________________________________ > >> > >Gotmail-list mailing list > >> > >[email protected] > >> > >http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Gotmail-list mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gotmail-list mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > >> > >> -- > >> This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous > >> content and is believed to be clean. > >> > >> > >> -- > >> This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous > >> content and is believed to be clean. > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Gotmail-list mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gotmail-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:24:40 -0700 >From: Dan Wilson <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [gotmail] out there suggestion... >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" > >The fix for msn.com accounts it to comment out the if block specific to >msn.com >addressess: > >#if ($domain eq 'msn.com') { ># if ($page =~ m/Location: (\S+)/i) { ># .... >#} > >This was lines 665 to 679 in my version... which I got from the following >link: >http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/gotmail-list/2003-12/msg00065.html > >If guess the extra redirect for msn.com addresses was removed from the >hotmail >process. > >Hope that helps, > >-Dan > >Quoting Roger Knobbe <[email protected]>: > > > Unfortunately, msn.com addresses don't work in outlook express. Msn.com > > mail, which is hosted by hotmail, was working in gotmail up until the > > last web page change. > > > > On 12/18/03 00:48, Brian Forth wrote: > > > Since MS changed their hotmail pages that last time that broke gotmail > I > > > have been using OE 6 (6.00.2800.1123)and would like to report there >are no > > > ads in that interface so I can't that being the main driving force >behind > > MS > > > changing the site on a regular basis. Not being a programmer I can't >really > > > offer any suggestions as to how to fix the perl script but it would >seem to > > > me that since OE doesn't break there has to be some way to get around >MS > > > changing it's site? > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [email protected] > > > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf > > > Of John Fruetel > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:27 PM > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [gotmail] out there suggestion... > > > > > > > > > I've actually thought about this quite a bit. Gotmail is basically a >fancy > > > 'screen scraper' that looks like a regular user to Hotmail. As such, >it's > > > prone to break every time MS changes the hotmail pages, like what just > > > happened. > > > > > > Paul Cannon, who worked on this project just before I did, also works >on > > > hotwayd. According to Paul, the http mail protocol isn't 100% either. > I'd > > > rather Paul spoke about this, but I got the impression from him that >the > > > http mail protocol isn't a bad of roses either. Although it's not as > > likely > > > to break as gotmail is, it has it's own set of problems. > > > > > > I write web services all the time at work. In fact, I use the amazon > > > webservices to test things. I even have a webservice on bigfatdude to > > check > > > e-mails for spaminess. > > > > > > The problem here is that Microsoft doesn't seem to want to make it >easy to > > > use Hotmail via a webservice. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, >but as > > > far as I know http mail is still sorta proprietary to MS and they >don't > > seem > > > interested in opening it up. They want you to go to the web page to >use > > > hotmail and see all the advertising. In fact, some years ago, Outlook > > > Express would show the same ads as hotmail when you used OE as a >hotmail > > > client. > > > > > > So, I guess I'm agreeing here... There is a lot of 'cross-over' > > development > > > happening here. But I think that gotmail might be a little more >functional > > > than hotwayd at the moment. By 'functional', I mean it can do more. >But > > if > > > hotwayd can indeed do all the low-level functionality that gotmail >needs, > > > I'm all for using it in the future. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Ben Staniford" <[email protected]> > > > To: "'E H R'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:00 PM > > > Subject: RE: [gotmail] out there suggestion... > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > You're not the only one :-) Have you heard of WSDL (Web service > > > > description language)? Microsoft, Sun and IBM and are all piling >loads > > > > of money into XML based web services for websites (there's open >source > > > > stuff too I think) so that programs don't break when the interface > > > > changes. The WSDL is stored in a public directory (Like LDAP) so >that > > > > anyone can go and check out the interface and write programs for it. > > > > There are cool programs for java/perl etc that allow you to auto > > > > generate a set of classes (called stub classes) for the web services > > > > interface so all you have to do is call the methods from within your > > > > program and you can access all the data from the website. You can > > > > already get these XML interfaces for amazon.com and many others. >So, > > > > once everyone has them, HTML changes won't break things like they do > > > > now. > > > > > > > > Benj.. > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: [email protected] > > > > [mailto:gotmail- > > > > >[email protected]] On Behalf Of E H R > > > > >Sent: 17 December 2003 00:41 > > > > >To: [email protected] > > > > >Subject: [gotmail] out there suggestion... > > > > > > > > > >I have a rather large collection of webmails(on different systems) >and > > > > tend > > > > >to need a whole collection of daemons to run them all, now I was > > > > looking at > > > > >one of them(for mail.com) and I remembered that since the hotmail >and > > > > yahoo > > > > >rebuilds, a lot of work was going on. Now I know the other > > > > >project(pywebmail) doesn't use the same language as gotmail(perl) >but I > > > > >thought it was interesting it used xml for storing webmail-server > > > > >behaviour... Could some kind of collaborative effort, perhaps >using > > > > those > > > > >same xml files, be built, so that there is less duplication of >effort > > > > when > > > > >hotmail et al decide to make our lives difficult? > > > > > > > > > >I've used fetchyahoo, gotmail, mrpostman, hotwayd, web2pop and > > > > pywebmail(at > > > > >least) so far, and I did notice that keeping up with the provides >is > > > > >probably the largest part of the update work. > > > > > > > > > >Am I the only one who sees a great idea in this ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > >Gotmail-list mailing list > > > > >[email protected] > > > > >http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Gotmail-list mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gotmail-list mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > > > > > > -- > > > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous > > > content and is believed to be clean. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous > > > content and is believed to be clean. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gotmail-list mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gotmail-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:48:36 -0800 >From: Roger Knobbe <[email protected]> >Subject: Re: [gotmail] out there suggestion... >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >Perfect -- that fixed it. Thanks. > >rog. > >On 12/18/03 09:24, Dan Wilson wrote: > > The fix for msn.com accounts it to comment out the if block specific to >msn.com > > addressess: > > > > #if ($domain eq 'msn.com') { > > # if ($page =~ m/Location: (\S+)/i) { > > # .... > > #} > > > > This was lines 665 to 679 in my version... which I got from the >following link: > > http://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/gotmail-list/2003-12/msg00065.html > > > > If guess the extra redirect for msn.com addresses was removed from the >hotmail > > process. > > > > Hope that helps, > > > > -Dan > > > > Quoting Roger Knobbe <[email protected]>: > > > > > Unfortunately, msn.com addresses don't work in outlook express. >Msn.com > > > mail, which is hosted by hotmail, was working in gotmail up until the > > > last web page change. > > > > > > On 12/18/03 00:48, Brian Forth wrote: > > > > Since MS changed their hotmail pages that last time that broke >gotmail I > > > > have been using OE 6 (6.00.2800.1123)and would like to report there >are no > > > > ads in that interface so I can't that being the main driving force >behind > > > MS > > > > changing the site on a regular basis. Not being a programmer I can't >really > > > > offer any suggestions as to how to fix the perl script but it would >seem to > > > > me that since OE doesn't break there has to be some way to get >around MS > > > > changing it's site? > > > > > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > [mailto:[email protected]]On >Behalf > > > > Of John Fruetel > > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:27 PM > > > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [gotmail] out there suggestion... > > > > > > > > > > > > I've actually thought about this quite a bit. Gotmail is basically >a fancy > > > > 'screen scraper' that looks like a regular user to Hotmail. As >such, it's > > > > prone to break every time MS changes the hotmail pages, like what >just > > > > happened. > > > > > > > > Paul Cannon, who worked on this project just before I did, also >works on > > > > hotwayd. According to Paul, the http mail protocol isn't 100% >either. I'd > > > > rather Paul spoke about this, but I got the impression from him that >the > > > > http mail protocol isn't a bad of roses either. Although it's not >as > > > likely > > > > to break as gotmail is, it has it's own set of problems. > > > > > > > > I write web services all the time at work. In fact, I use the >amazon > > > > webservices to test things. I even have a webservice on bigfatdude >to > > > check > > > > e-mails for spaminess. > > > > > > > > The problem here is that Microsoft doesn't seem to want to make it >easy to > > > > use Hotmail via a webservice. Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong, >but as > > > > far as I know http mail is still sorta proprietary to MS and they >don't > > > seem > > > > interested in opening it up. They want you to go to the web page to >use > > > > hotmail and see all the advertising. In fact, some years ago, >Outlook > > > > Express would show the same ads as hotmail when you used OE as a >hotmail > > > > client. > > > > > > > > So, I guess I'm agreeing here... There is a lot of 'cross-over' > > > development > > > > happening here. But I think that gotmail might be a little more >functional > > > > than hotwayd at the moment. By 'functional', I mean it can do more. > But > > > if > > > > hotwayd can indeed do all the low-level functionality that gotmail >needs, > > > > I'm all for using it in the future. > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Ben Staniford" <[email protected]> > > > > To: "'E H R'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 5:00 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [gotmail] out there suggestion... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > You're not the only one :-) Have you heard of WSDL (Web service > > > > > description language)? Microsoft, Sun and IBM and are all piling >loads > > > > > of money into XML based web services for websites (there's open >source > > > > > stuff too I think) so that programs don't break when the interface > > > > > changes. The WSDL is stored in a public directory (Like LDAP) so >that > > > > > anyone can go and check out the interface and write programs for >it. > > > > > There are cool programs for java/perl etc that allow you to auto > > > > > generate a set of classes (called stub classes) for the web >services > > > > > interface so all you have to do is call the methods from within >your > > > > > program and you can access all the data from the website. You can > > > > > already get these XML interfaces for amazon.com and many others. >So, > > > > > once everyone has them, HTML changes won't break things like they >do > > > > > now. > > > > > > > > > > Benj.. > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > >From: [email protected] > > > > > [mailto:gotmail- > > > > > >[email protected]] On Behalf Of E H R > > > > > >Sent: 17 December 2003 00:41 > > > > > >To: [email protected] > > > > > >Subject: [gotmail] out there suggestion... > > > > > > > > > > > >I have a rather large collection of webmails(on different >systems) and > > > > > tend > > > > > >to need a whole collection of daemons to run them all, now I was > > > > > looking at > > > > > >one of them(for mail.com) and I remembered that since the hotmail >and > > > > > yahoo > > > > > >rebuilds, a lot of work was going on. Now I know the other > > > > > >project(pywebmail) doesn't use the same language as gotmail(perl) >but I > > > > > >thought it was interesting it used xml for storing webmail-server > > > > > >behaviour... Could some kind of collaborative effort, perhaps >using > > > > > those > > > > > >same xml files, be built, so that there is less duplication of >effort > > > > > when > > > > > >hotmail et al decide to make our lives difficult? > > > > > > > > > > > >I've used fetchyahoo, gotmail, mrpostman, hotwayd, web2pop and > > > > > pywebmail(at > > > > > >least) so far, and I did notice that keeping up with the provides >is > > > > > >probably the largest part of the update work. > > > > > > > > > > > >Am I the only one who sees a great idea in this ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > > > > >Gotmail-list mailing list > > > > > >[email protected] > > > > > >http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Gotmail-list mailing list > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Gotmail-list mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > > > > > > > > -- > > > > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous > > > > content and is believed to be clean. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous > > > > content and is believed to be clean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Gotmail-list mailing list > > > > [email protected] > > > > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gotmail-list mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gotmail-list mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Gotmail-list mailing list >[email protected] >http://mail.nongnu.org/mailman/listinfo/gotmail-list > > >End of Gotmail-list Digest, Vol 8, Issue 22 >******************************************* _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail