Re: [binc] Binc list protection.

--- This is just a reply to the 'spam'. Nothing to do with Binc.

Cute device, here is why we don't use it.
Control - We know exactly how and why something is labeled spam.
We are constantly adding new features to the email system, which is easy as
everything is open source, expessially the MTA.

> Sorry for the "spam" but since you're already
>spending that much money on it
> you may be interested in what my company does.

That much money, isn't that much when you compare it to our normal expenses. 
We currently have over 50 clusters in our facility (400+ servers) with space 
for up to 9000 units.

That is just $30k of wasted money every year or so. Most of that is just for 
an employees paycheck who is tasked to fight spam and improving email.
We spent more on the Janitors than we do on spam, but money is money. The 
point was, if spam didn't exist we wouldn't have to spend ANY money on it.

We have sister sites in a couple other states and one in Europe, we all load 
balance and keep a backup of every email.
== After all, our Florida site was shutdown during the hurricanes of last 
year for 6 hours, shunting all the traffic to the other sites.

>See www.ironport.com. We'll
> keep your spam and AV rules up to date for you and we'll make managing all
> of the other MTA business a breeze.

Can your filters, take a message in, process it, store a copy, do MDA, and 
be done in 6 seconds.
Then repeat that 10+ million times every day without crashing or slowing 
down.
-- We wrote our own SMTP engine since Sendmail was slow and was a memory hog 
and
postfix just wasn't configurable enough. --  4 stage load balancing 
clusters.


-- We use honeypots to update our spam rules and have a massive
9+million domain link blacklist. (URL scan), and 3+ million domain 
Subscriptions database.
(we blacklist the entire domain, i.e. xyz.com) -- We don't use email address 
at all in sorting spam, all content and IP.
So if you would LIKE to be blacklisted, just forward your email to our 
honeypot and ensure that none of our users has to see it.

We process 10 million messages per day, much of it for the west Orlando 
Metro area
and a few large eastcoast chain companies. 99% of it for businesses.
--We try to avoid residential users.

Your device look cute, I'm seen many. We even have our own version that 
copies
our rules to remote client servers (e-Gateway, e-Net devices) at some 
customer sites.

Spam costs money. (Which is why your company exists.)
The cost is mostly to ISP's in bandwidth, employees in wasted time and
customers in higher bills.  -- I'm sure you know the speech.

I receive 1600+ spam messages a day as one of my email addresses is on 100+ 
domains in WHOIS,
most are known spam but I do get 1-3 messages a day that are truly new and 
missed by our filters.
-- The filters auto-update when I drag them to the  Mark-As-Spam folder, or 
send it to our
spam person to make a signature of the spam.

A few numbers:
Viruses/Phishing account for 10%-15% of our incoming email.(rejected on 
connection.)
Spam about 30% (sorted by global, customer and end user rules).
Subscriptions 15%
The rest is comprised of normal email.



Ken Lyons