Re: [Imap-protocol] STARTTLS after PREAUTH
Bron Gondwana <[email protected]>
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On Wed, Mar 19, 2014, at 02:43 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > On Mar 18, 2014, at 8:34 PM, Bron Gondwana <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It's broken for now because of assumed future risks. And that's my problem with > > the standards world. > > Where is your answer? Pragmatic standards that solve the problems now, ahead of the perceived potential problems of the future. Designing for the future gets us ISO 7 layer networking, not TCP. As an example: In the mail space - it means replace authenticated SMTP with SUBMIT via IMAP. That doesn't mean turn off authenticated SMTP, it means add SUBMIT via IMAP. I'm willing to make a bet that client authors would jump on it - particularly if it was implemented with a latch. (by which I mean that the server sets a flag on the message upon successful SUBMIT to the next hop) Add a SPECIALUSE mailbox name for messages to be IMAP appended into, then: > SELECT Outbox > TAG UID SUBMIT $N (OPTS) < TAG OK SUBMITTED $N ESMTP id A01306C0037 And you get single-copy-over-the-wire upload. Define the few basics (strip BCC) that everyone needs, and you've hit the 99% use case for right now. Yet every time this kind of idea comes up, the naysayers are all screaming "won't somebody think of the future" - and meanwhile exchange active sync is out there eating lunches, which it so much should not be. Bron. -- Bron Gondwana [email protected] _______________________________________________ Imap-protocol mailing list [email protected] http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/imap-protocol