[Imap-protocol] Seeking clarity on Gmail "Access for less secure apps" setting for non XOAuth2 access
Andrew Sutherland <[email protected]> Fri, 29 Aug 2014 11:50:30 -0400
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The blog post http://googleonlinesecurity.blogspot.de/2014/04/new-security-measures-will-affect-older.html seems to have come to fruition as the "Access for less secure apps" setting as documented at https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en (but not particularly hyperlinked to/from many of the other GMail docs.) It sounds like this started happening around July 15th, noting that 2-factor accounts are not affected. For the Firefox OS Gaia Email app we're trying to figure out exactly what the impact of this is and who is affected. It does not seem straightforward because it seems like there are a number of heuristics in play. Specifically, I have observed: - My existing non-2-factor account seems to have been grandfathered so that the setting is enabled. - I just created a brand new non-2-factor gmail account. The Gmail Settings UI indicated IMAP was disabled and the "Access for less secure apps" account security setting was also disabled. I then added the brand-new account in the app and things just magically worked. IMAP got enabled in the gmail UI and "access for less secure apps" also got enabled. I applaud both the effort to protect users and the use of whatever heuristics these are to avoid needlessly inflicting pain on users. However, it does leave me confused what users will be impacted. Is it just GMail users over a certain account age who haven't leveraged PLAIN logins in some number of months? Is it dependent on the suspicious login heuristics? I do know that some testers have run into this problem recently, so it's not imagined. So my questions are these: 1) Is it possible to get a better understanding of what's going on with when the setting will be enforced? 2) Is there some other venue for staying up-to-date with information like this for Gmail? That blog post was somewhat nebulous, didn't get any coverage on a blog I was subscribed to at the time where I would have expected a mention (http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/), and I don't believe it or its contents were directly posted to any of these IMAP standardsy lists. The July 15th thing seemed to be something people just inferred after it happened. 3) Is there some way I can help update documentation/hyperlinks on pages like https://developers.google.com/gmail/xoauth2_protocol (to link to the less secure apps docs)? On https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/6010255?hl=en there is an affordance to say the article is not helpful and provide feedback, but I don't see anything on the developers site. I do want to make it clear that I really appreciate Google/Brandon Long's active participation on this list and I understand how busy everyone involved likely is. I'm also on board with the idea that, like web browsers, email apps/user agents should keep up with the state of the art standards for the benefit/safety/privacy of their users and the health of the net. It's just that having more of an explicit heads up would help us make sure that we prioritize our engineering resources appropriately ahead of time rather than having to do things reactively. Thanks! Andrew PS: The Gaia email app has also been deficient in notifying servers via "ID", if that's the venue I've been missing. Although if so, I'd still argue this list or its friends would also be an appropriate place to post. _______________________________________________ Imap-protocol mailing list [email protected] http://mailman13.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/imap-protocol