Re: Re: moving mail between folders is intermittently failing

On Fri, 7 May 2010, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:
> who cares what existed back then? we are talking about *today*. but you
> are still arguing as if the internet looked the same as 25 years ago.

"Who cares about anything from the past?  There is nothing to be learned
from past experience, and nothing done in the past applies today."

http://www.generationaldynamics.com/cgi-bin/D.PL?d=ww2010.i.java080701

Those who refuse to learn from the past end up repeating it.

>> Dial-up disconnects did exist in 1986.  Back in 1986, as long as the
>> remedial action (restoring the dial-up session) was taken in a reasonable
>> amount of time, all current TCP/IP sessions resumed as if the disconnect
>> never happened.
> apparently you missed the invention of dynamic ip assignment.

"I don't know how to do it, therefore it's impossible."

I regularly do what other people believe is impossible.

It is not exceptionally difficult to resume IP connectivity after
disconnect for a dynamic IP.  It just requires an engineer with the wit to
recognize that it is desirable to be able to do that, and the imagination
to work out how to do it.

>> No, it's not impossible.  It just requires everybody to cooperate and do
>> things the right way.
> if you don't realize how that is living in a dream world, then i really
> can't help you.

It is not a dream world to build things so that they work properly with
other things that work properly.

Nor is it a dream world to require that other things work properly.
Apple and Microsoft are both quite strict in the enforcement of their
rules; and have no hesitation to break things for those who violate them.

It is only with open standards that we find rule breaking as the norm; and
interestingly the same agents that vigorously enforce their rules seem to
have little problem with breaking rules to hurt competitors.

> specifically, many (if not most) of the problems we are
> facing are caused directly or indirectly by those who purposefully play
> against the rules.

The solution to problems caused by violation of the rules is not to
violate the rules further.

And if it turns out to be infeasible to get the rule violator fixed, the
workaround must not cause adverse impact to rule obeyers.

-- Mark --

http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
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