Re: Is anybody working on Mulberry now?

I don't have much trouble with Gmail. My problem is that I have multiple 
accounts. Five Gmail accounts, one work account (that retirees are allowed 
to keep), the hobby site account and my ISP account. So I have to have a 
capable MUA that handles those accounts well and handled identities, 
because each account has its own identity.

The ISP uses InrediMail, and it is beyond horrible. It makes Gmail look 
stellar.

--On December 19, 2017 at 10:29:01 PM +1100 Bernie Maier 
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Paul Schmehl:
>
>> I have a log file of errors generated by Mulberry when trying to connect
>> to, retrieve from and move emails from my ISP. They use IncrediMail,
>> which has to be the worst IMAP server on the planet. It literally
>> crashes Mulberry when you get over 25 emails in your inbox.
>>
>> I'm in the process of moving over to gmail, because my ISP email is
>> virtually unusable. I've been using Mulberry for years now, and no IMAP
>> server I've ever used has been so indescribably horrible.
>
> Wow. There's a worse IMAP server than Gmail? Something that you'd use
> Gmail as an IMAP server in preference to? Or do you mean just going the
> whole hog to web mail rather than using a dedicated email client? The
> reason I ask is that Gmail's IMAP conformance is legendarily bad. I've
> actually given up using Mulberry for my work email, because all my work
> accounts (at my employer and I have customer-hosted accounts too) are all
> hosted on Gmail.
>
> That said, I guess Gmail doesn't crash Mulberry (often, it can depend on
> the attachments). But even without crashing, there are things I routinely
> do as part of my personal email workflow that are completely broken by
> Gmail's IMAP implementation (e.g. what appears to me to be Gmail's
> non-deterministic assignment of UIDs in bulk copy / move operations).
>
> If you want to your IMAP email hosted externally, I'd recommend a paid
> service with a reputation for IMAP. I also am a happy FastMail customer
> for many years now. They do suffer increasingly from DDOS attacks (what
> service provider doesn't?), but I've never had any severe outages.
>
> If you want free and externally hosted IMAP, there may still be some
> niche providers out there.
>
> If you just want to migrate to web mail, sure go to Gmail.
>
> Whatever you do, getting off your ISP's email service is probably a smart
> move. It saves hassle if you ever change ISPs.
>
> I'd love to be one of the few still working on Mulberry, but
> unfortunately I have to little time after work and my other existing
> side-projects. And Mulberry is a non-trivial thing to tackle. And I don't
> particularly like any of the cross-platform GUI options that would be
> needed to modernise Mulberry.
>
>
> Kenneth Porter:
>
>> Things I need for my work flow include multiple identities and multiple
>> servers.
>
> Yes, that's the killer Mulberry feature that I have never seen any other
> client do at all well.
>
>
> Kenneth Porter (later message, discussing Trojitá):
>
>> On 12/18/2017 11:56 AM, Gleason wrote:
>> > It is getting harder to find anything new.  I see this one is imap
>> > only.
>>
>> I only use IMAP, so that's not a problem for me. I was looking through
>> the changelog and found it handles multiple accounts by running multiple
>> instances. Which would be awkward if you move mail between accounts a
>> lot. Not something I normally do.
>
> Moving between multiple accounts is core to the way I use email. So
> Trojitá is out for me, even if it did run on macOS. Also, it's unclear
> whether it attempts to sync the world on initial connection to a new IMAP
> server, like a lot of clients want to do. At least it claims to be fast
> about it if it does.
>
> The thing with building / maintaining an email client these days is that
> email is increasingly becoming a niche technology. Still a very big
> niche, but lots of the stuff I used to do via email has (sadly) been
> replaced by other technologies. So it's a big ask to work on an email
> client these days.
>
>
>



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