Re: Is anybody working on Mulberry now?

Brian Reid <[email protected]> Tue, 19 Dec 2017 13:03:25 -0800
Newsgroups gmane.mail.mulberry.user
Message-ID <[email protected]>
Like I said, there is something seriously wrong with my TB installation. 
Absent any better diagnosis, that wrong thing is TB. I do not use 
addons, I do not use calendars, and I have made very few changes to the 
out-of-the-box profile. My TB got to be what it is by my carefully 
following all of the TB documentation. About 2 years ago I erased every 
artifact of Thunderbird from my computer and started over again with a 
fresh install and most settings at factory default. I experienced more 
or less the same symptoms.

It doesn't actually matter to me whether a problem is a problem in code 
or in documentation. Together they are what I have to work with, and if 
following the documentation when installing the code yields a buggy 
instance, then that is just as much a bug as some blunder in the 
underlying code.

I'm not stupid. I have written a lot of software. I am good at reading 
documentation and at following instructions. I have not made any changes 
to Thunderbird other than through its HTML configuration interface. I 
have used email for many years, and I have used many email clients. If I 
can't get Thunderbird to behave, then the problem is with Thunderbird 
and not with me. Whether the Thunderbird problem is in its code or its 
documentation is an irrelevant nuance.

On 12/19/17 12:24pm, Tanstaafl wrote:
> On Tue Dec 19 2017 14:47:36 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time), Brian Reid
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> I use Thunderbird 52.5.0 with a fast client running macOS 10.13.3 and
>> a fast server running Dovecot 2.2.33.
>> It freezes up (infinite beach ball) several times a day, requiring
>> force quit and relaunch.
> All this means is there is something wrong with your TB installation.
> Either you have a bad Addon (does it happen when starting with Addons
> Disabled?), or something seriously borked in your profile (create a
> fresh new profile), or possibly you have a lot of online Calendars with
> lots of items on them (that is one scenario that can cause serious
> performance problems).
>
>> It takes 10-20 minutes to start up when I launch it,
> Yup, something seriously wrong. This is simply not a general Thunderbird
> problem.
>
>> Its searching ability is so slow that sometimes I start a search and
>> go to bed and the search hasn't finished by morning. (on mailboxes
>> containing less than 6000 messages).
> Are you doing Body searches on unindexed IMAP stores? No wonder...
>
>> It is awful.
> Sounds like it, but the problem is NOT 'Thunderbird' in the generic
> sense, there is definitely something wrong that is most likely fixable.
>
>> Also I have never figured out its message-composition features. On
>> almost every message I send, it changes font in the middle of a word
>> here and there. I'm sure there is some logic to how it does that, but
>> I've never managed to figure it out.
> This (the Composer) is one of the biggest bugs it has had for a long
> time. The good news, many of these most 'in your face' ones have been
> recently fixed (some available now, others not until the next release,
> version 59, coming in a month or two).
>
> The problem you're experiencing has to do with getting outside the
> 'Body' tags by clicking too far down into the signature section.
>
> But this problem is easily avoidable (I know because I NEVER encounter
> it)... bottom line... either inline post (don't top-post, and quote only
> the relevant part of the message, by simply highlighting it before
> clicking Reply), or if you are going to top-post, make sure there are
> blank spaces between your starting text and the signature.
>
>> I can't wait to try something else. I have Pine on a nearby machine and
>> usually use that for searching and folder mongering.
> I never need to Body search, so searching is blazingly fast on my IMAP
> folders with 20-50,000 messages.
>
> If I wanted/needed Body search capability, I'd use SOLR with my Dovecot
> server, but I don't need it, so never took the time to figure out
> getting it installed and running.