Re: Is anybody working on Mulberry now?
Gleason <[email protected]> Tue, 19 Dec 2017 16:23:19 -0500
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------------10D0A309F324285A5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Tanstaafl, > On Tue Dec 19 2017 15:31:59 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time), Gleason > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Thunderbird evangelist. > Long time user of the least broken IMAP client I've ever tried (tried > most, including Mulberry). It has many warts, just far fewer than others. >> I do pay close attention to email clients and what they offer. Have >> done for a long time. > Your observations say otherwise... You doubt my veracity? >> *>> ? Like the ability to customize visible columns in the message list, >>>> separately for each folder, with a large selection of choices. >>> ??? I've been doing that since.. .forever... natively. >> *Well, not forever, I think. I do distinctly remember those options not >> being available a few years ago. > And I do distinctly remember having made extensive customizations to the > message pane for many, many years. At loeast since version 2.0. The message list columns. Size, date, memo, and folder can be useful in so= me contexts. Lots of other column headings are possible and can be useful. Especially if your client allows you to at= tach a memo to an email, as The Bat does so easily. =20 > So, much, MUCH longer than just a few years my friend. It is starting to sound like we are failing to communicate. >> As I say, I prefer the function built in. > Me too... but Addons are one of the main reasons I like Thunderbird - I > can customize it to MY needs/wants. >> I personally have had situations where a needed plugin was no longer >> compatible. > Thats happened to me once or twice, but I soon learned a new and > sometimes better way to do the same thing. >> Lightening periodically going in and out of compatibility for >> example. It will be back in a while, but in the meantime, I am out=20 >> of luck. Not acceptable. > The Release version of TB and Lightning has never done this. Of course, > if you play with pre-release versions, you will encounter the occasional > issue like this, but surely you know this. >> Yes, I use Daily because it has the latest features. > There is your problem. Complaining about OCCASIONAL breakage in a DAILY > build (some might call that ALPHA quality software) is plain asinine. > That said, the reality is Thunderbird rarely gets new features, mostly > you'll just benefit from early bug fixes that are too invasive to > backport to the release version. >> Like built in outgoing filters. > Limiting yourself to only native/built-in features is missing out on one > of the best things about Mozilla products. > That said, checking when Thunderbird added the ability to customize the > columns in the Message pane revealed that the native ability to filter > on outgoing/Sent messages was added way back in version 38 over 2 years a= go. Message list. My experience with Thunderbird goes back a lot further than = that. Yes, I know outgoing filters outgoing messages has been available for a while. My= comment was that my early experience of Thunderbird was that it lacked features. That = has been remedied in recent *years*. But *I* still don't like the interface. It is= subjective. >> The Bat has no such requirement. I use server side incoming >> filters, so messages go where I want them, and The Bat doesn't care >> what I want to use for a return address. > The email client isn't thr critical part of this, the SMTP SERVER is. A > properly configured SMTP server (postfix) will not allow you to > impersonate someone else (send from just any address), and there is > nothing 'The Bat' (or any other email client) can do about that. And the fastmail smtp server is well aware of my aliases, so no problem. >> I simply tell it to use whatever return address I like and there are no >> unnecessary complications. > Oh - been doing that for many many years using the 'Virtual Identity' > Addon which simply lets me edit the From Header directly on the fly. Yes, I can do that, but it is preferable that the software do it automatica= lly lest I forget. --=20 Gleason ------------10D0A309F324285A5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head><title>Re: [Mulberry-discuss] Is anybody working on Mulberry no= w?</title> </head> <body> <span style=3D" font-family:'tahoma'; font-size: 10pt;">Tanstaafl,<br> <br> <span style=3D" font-family:'courier new'; font-size: 9pt; color: #800000;"= ><b>> On Tue Dec 19 2017 15:31:59 GMT-0500 (Eastern Standard Time), Glea= son<br> > <</b></span></span><a style=3D" font-family:'courier new'; font-siz= e: 9pt;" href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><span style=3D" f= ont-family:'courier new'; font-size: 9pt; color: #800000;"><b>> wrote:<b= r> <br> <span style=3D" color: #800080;">>> Thunderbird evangelist.<br> <br> <span style=3D" color: #800000;">> Long time user of the least broken IM= AP client I've ever tried (tried<br> > most, including Mulberry). It has many warts, just far fewer than othe= rs.<br> <br> <span style=3D" color: #800080;">>> I do pay close attention to email= clients and what they offer. Have<br> >> done for a long time.<br> <br> <span style=3D" color: #800000;">> Your observations say otherwise...<br> <br> </span></span></span></span></b><span style=3D" font-family:'Tahoma'; font-= size: 10pt; color: #000000;">You doubt my veracity?<br> <br> <span style=3D" font-family:'courier new'; font-size: 9pt; color: #800080;"= ><b>>> *>> ? Like the ability to customize visible columns in t= he message list,<br> >>>> separately for each folder, with a large selection of choi= ces.<br> <span style=3D" color: #800000;">>>> ??? I've been doing that sinc= e.. .forever... natively.<br> <br> <span style=3D" color: #800080;">>> *Well, not forever, I think. &nbs= p;I do distinctly remember those options not<br> >> being available a few years ago.<br> <br> <span style=3D" color: #800000;">> And I do distinctly remember having m= ade extensive customizations to the<br> > message pane for many, many years. At loeast since version 2.0.<br> <br> </span></span></span></b><span style=3D" font-family:'Tahoma'; font-size: 1= 0pt; color: #000000;">The message list columns. Size, date, memo, and= folder can be useful in some contexts. Lots of other column headings= <br> are possible and can be useful. Especially if your client allows you = to attach a memo to an email,<br> as The Bat does so easily. <br> <br> <span style=3D" font-family:'courier new'; font-size: 9pt; color: #800000;"= ><b>> So, much, MUCH longer than just a few years my friend.<br> <br> </b><span style=3D" font-family:'Tahoma'; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;"= >It is starting to sound like we are failing to communicate.<br> <br> <span style=3D" font-family:'courier new'; font-size: 9pt; color: #800080;"= ><b>>> As I say, I prefer the function built in.<br> <br> <span style=3D" color: #800000;">> Me too... but Addons are one of the m= ain reasons I like Thunderbird - I<br> > can customize it to MY needs/wants.<br> <br> <span style=3D" color: #800080;">>> I personally have had situations = where a needed plugin was no longer<br> >> compatible.<br> <br> <span style=3D" color: #800000;">> Thats happened to me once or twice, b= ut I soon learned a new and<br> > sometimes better way to do the same thing.<br> <br> <span style=3D" color: #800080;">>> Lightening periodically going in = and out of compatibility for<br> >> example. It will be back in a while, but in the meantime, I = am out <br> >> of luck. Not acceptable.<br> <br> <span style=3D" color: #800000;">> The Release version of TB and Lightni= ng has never done this. Of course,<br> > if you play with pre-release versions, you will encounter the occasion= al<br> > issue like this, but surely you know this.<br> <br> <span style=3D" color: #800080;">>> Yes, I use Daily because it has t= he latest features.<br> <br> <span style=3D" color: #800000;">> There is your problem. Complaining ab= out OCCASIONAL breakage in a DAILY<br> > build (some might call that ALPHA quality software) is plain asinine.<= br> <br> > That said, the reality is Thunderbird rarely gets new features, mostly= <br> > you'll just benefit from early bug fixes that are too invasive to<br> > backport to the release version.<br> <br> <span style=3D" color: #800080;">>> Like built in outgoing filters.<b= r> <br> <span style=3D" color: #800000;">> Limiting yourself to only native/buil= t-in features is missing out on one<br> > of the best things about Mozilla products.<br> <br> > That said, checking when Thunderbird added the ability to customize th= e<br> > columns in the Message pane revealed that the native ability to filter= <br> > on outgoing/Sent messages was added way back in version 38 over 2 year= s ago.<br> <br> </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></b><span st= yle=3D" font-family:'Tahoma'; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000;">Message lis= t. My experience with Thunderbird goes back a lot further than that. = Yes, I<br> know outgoing filters outgoing messages has been available for a while. &nb= sp;My comment was<br> that my early experience of Thunderbird was that it lacked features. = That has been<br> remedied in recent *years*. But *I* still don't like the interface. &= nbsp;It is subjective.<br> <br> <span style=3D" font-family:'courier new'; font-size: 9pt; color: #800080;"= ><b>>> The Bat has no such requirement. I use server side incom= ing<br> >> filters, so messages go where I want them, and The Bat doesn't car= e<br> >> what I want to use for a return address.<br> <br> <span style=3D" color: #800000;">> The email client isn't thr critical p= art of this, the SMTP SERVER is. A<br> > properly configured SMTP server (postfix) will not allow you to<br> > impersonate someone else (send from just any address), and there is<br> > nothing 'The Bat' (or any other email client) can do about that.<br> <br> </span></b><span style=3D" font-family:'Tahoma'; font-size: 10pt; color: #0= 00000;">And the fastmail smtp server is well aware of my aliases, so no pro= blem.<br> <br> <span style=3D" font-family:'courier new'; font-size: 9pt; color: #800080;"= ><b>>> I simply tell it to use whatever return address I like and the= re are no<br> >> unnecessary complications.<br> <span style=3D" color: #800000;">> Oh - been doing that for many many ye= ars using the 'Virtual Identity'<br> > Addon which simply lets me edit the From Header directly on the fly.<b= r> <br> </span></b><span style=3D" font-family:'Tahoma'; font-size: 10pt; color: #0= 00000;">Yes, I can do that, but it is preferable that the software do it au= tomatically lest I forget.<br> <br> <span style=3D" font-family:'arial'; font-size: 9pt; color: #c0c0c0;"><i>--= <br> <br> Gleason</body></html> ------------10D0A309F324285A5--