Re: Goal: easier cpu parsable opt out tags

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Brett Watson wrote:

>On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 14:29, Doug Royer wrote:
>  
>
>>- A mini protocol  between the MUA and the opt-out sites that allow
>>   a user to opt-out in a standard way.
>>    
>>
>
>Even better, IMO, would be the following.
>
>* Users do not want to "un-subscribe" from something that they never 
>subscribed to in the first place. The default policy should be for 
>subscription and un-subscription to be entirely under the control of the 
>recipient, such that no third party can "subscribe" or "un-subscribe" them to 
>anything.
>
>This is, perhaps, a re-formulation of the "uniform interface to mailing lists" 
>goal in conjunction with various "recipient control" goals.
>
Yes, I did not notice that one.

> Note that the 
>above does not recognise any form of spamming as a subscription: it only 
>recognises recipient-initiated requests for mail as subscriptions. This 
>doesn't exactly cover "opt out", which tacitly assumes a right for a sender 
>to initiate a subscription. For those, we have the following requirement.
>
I had to call one spamer where they insisted that I subscribed 100's of 
times to the
same list. If course I had to explain to them what forged email was in 
detail. They
are going to put the a confermation step into their process.

So yes I agree, but when it happends,  or a company 'decides' for you to 
add you
to their sales list  when you buy something online, or .... A standard 
opt-out
would be needed.

>* Users want to be able to trivially blacklist any given sender.
>
>This is more effective than an "opt-out", because opt out requires sender 
>cooperation. It's still not entirely effective, though, because any given 
>person can create an unlimited number of sender identities from which to 
>spam. No sooner do you block amazingoffers.biz, than you start to get 
>remarkably similar spam from bestdeals.info, or something like that.
>
Yes - to blacklists.

Legal-spamers do take you off of their lists and that reduces traffic 
and the CPU
overhead of having process those spammers that may have gone out of 
busisness
for many more years.

>Neither of these options preclude a formalised opt-out mechanism, but opt-out 
>isn't necessarily something that we want to encourage, since it can 
>facilitate abuse. Even if a spammer honours an opt-out request (on all 
>current and future spamming runs), this does not prevent him selling the 
>address to other spammers as a "confirmed active" address. This is 
>counterproductive.
>
I could be some times.  However companies that send their own spam seem to
honor the requests which reduces traffice over a blacklists alone.

I did  read the links below before posting, then sent my idea.

>The best summary of the current suggestions with regards to recipient control 
>of messages is currently at the following URI.
>
>  http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/opinions/user-visible-email-ng-goals.html
>
>James Seng's Wiki is more up-to-date, but not as conveniently organised so far 
>as this particular subject is concerned.
>
>  http://james.seng.cc/wiki/wiki.cgi?Mail-NG
>
>Regards,
>TFBW
>  
>

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