Re: Please fix obsolete address in http://www.procmail.org/era/lists.html

[email protected] wrote off list Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:16:39 -0400 (EDT) 

> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

No thanks ;-)


> Julian H. Stacey wrote ..
> > Hi [email protected]
> 
>    Yes, because annoying all of the list subscribers who cannot help you since we don't run the procmail.org website will do you SO much good...
> 
>    *plonk*

Rather than mail foolish sarcasm, you should have _Thought_, extrapolated,
& realised:

- The procmail.org community have [had] an admin problem for {Overflow}
  time, preventing subscriptions; 
- The procmail.org community have an obsolete web disrupting subscriptions; 
- The procmail.org community have an obsolete & now dead owner@ address,
  preventing error reports.
- As all findable email addresses @procmail.org to file mail list error 
  were useless, there was nowhere else to file than here. 
- The procmail.org community need to alert & volunteer to help 
  whoever does admin for procmail.org, as work overflowed & is not done.

History:

- I searched www.procmail.org
- I found an address to subscribe
- That page was obscured with info about some list manager software that
  should be seperated on to another page. That info distracts, I
  suspected it was irrelevant, & in retrospect it Is irrelevant &/or obsolete,
- It does the procmail list a dis-service because it destroys
  assumptions of what might be correct defaults for a list manager
  to write to if subscribe fails. ie procmail-owner or owner-procmail@
  or whatever & whichever domain ?
- Look at that web & find admission of a problem with broken aliases `Yet' 
- The procmail community need to find a 
  volunteer to discard parts of your web site & rewrite the mail
  list page.  
- I did write to owner at both addresses, got nothing but a bounce.
  Weird having a quota on an Owner. Being Over quota suggested
  maybe various other people may also have tried to subscribe & failed.
- You the procmail community may have lost other subscribers, because
  the owner mailbox was over quota. You the community should probably
  realise whoever runs procmail.org needs help from a few of you.
- I contacted postmaster (@ Aachen, not @procmail) & she increased quota
- I wrote list owner again, failed, black hole, no response.
- I offered to Create a procmail mail list if existing one was broken
  (I saw from web that had been done before too !)
- I wrote other names I found on web, finaly got a response, he would look in
  next week.
- Postmaster @ Aachen happened to discover list was now under mailman, kindly
  mailed me a web address, & I subscribed.

Summary:
  The procmail.org domain is a pigs ear re subscriptions.  How many
  other subscriptions may have failed over time from an overflowing
  mailbox How many other subscriptions may have failed from a wrong
  address ?  Please butcher out all the false rubbish about mail
  list managers & addresses you are not using.  Then do a find &
  grep to ensure no other false occurences of dead addresses

My background
- A happy user of procmail many years.
- A week back I had a procmail problem, which I wanted to ask about,
  but solved, while still obstructed from subscribing by broken procmail.org.
- I've been running 30 lists on a majordomo for maybe a decade, 
- I've run Mailman, found a fault, reported it, & will run again sometime.  
- I'm a member of about 100 mail lists via various mailman, majordomo, 
  & other robots, 

[email protected] is volunteered to be useful (instead of sarcastic):
Edit some replacement text for procmail web & submit it to webmaster !

Cheers,
Julian
-- 
Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com
 Reply below not above, like a play script.  Indent old text with "> ".
 Send plain text.  No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative.