Re: anti-spam collateral damage
Richard Johnson <[email protected]> Mon, 15 Nov 2004 15:46:24 -0700
| Newsgroups | gmane.mail.spam.hashcash |
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| Organization | Whirlpools Suck the Breath Out of You |
| Message-ID | <[email protected]> |
In article <[email protected]>, "Eric S. Johansson" <[email protected]> wrote: > http://www.eff.org/wp/?f=SpamCollateralDamage.html > > this is something I've been arguing about with people for a long time. > Personally, I think that hybrid sender-pays is a nondiscriminatory > solution that would meet the requirements of the eff > > ---eric This is a digression, but you're referencing a shaky source for motivation there. The EFF is not a legitimate authority on such issues, and their requirements aren't something that needs to be met for a system to be viable or proper. Distrust the EFF on that one in particular. Its abstract says: "... Although people on the MoveOn.org email lists have specifically requested to receive these alerts, many large ISPs regularly block them because they assume bulk email is spam. ..." That's disingenuous at best on the part of the EFF. In actual fact, not all the people on MoveOn.org's lists had specifically requested to receive the alerts. Yet MoveOn.org was sending to such victims anyway. MoveOn.org was likely either accepting forged subscriptions (by failing to confirm anonymous subscription requests), or was allowing "friends" to sign up unwilling victims. As a result, MoveOn.org was sending unsolicited bulk email to those unwilling victims. It thus shouldn't be at all surprising that they were blocked as the spammers they actually ended up being. In general, while Cindy Cohn is generally a very smart lawyer, she seems to have an institutional inability to understand that speech is not free when it comes postage due. Our mail servers are our private property, not some kind of commons. When we say "no unsolicited bulk email is allowed on our property," we mean it. We can't afford to allow it, as it exponentially increases our costs. In addition, it's severely distasteful to our users for them to be slammed into lists against their will, and they tend to stop paying us unless we protect them from such abuse. Luckily, we can enforce our ban on unsolicited bulk email by blocking organizations that send it. It is not in the least improper for us to wholly block the sender of an improperly maintained mailing list (commercial or not) off our private property. Stopping such spammer misbehavior is the very essence of what we're aiming for. When the spammers stop slamming our users into lists against their will; when they stop sending unsolicited bulk email, we can stop blocking the networks and domains they use to inject their spew. The EFF is just plain wrong on this particular issue. Our servers are not their commons. There is and can be no legitimate requirement that we expend the exponentially greater resources necessary to carry and deliver unsolicited bulk email, even for non-commercial godspammers, or donation-seeking polspammers like MoveOn.org. Thus the EFF is not a useful or rational source of hashcash requirements. Concentrate on doing things properly, instead of being coopted into the EFF's attempts to create a commons out of our private mail servers. Richard Disclaimer: I donated money via MoveOn.org. MoveOn.org did not spam me, personally. I have similarly donated money and equipment to the EFF, for their good work on crypto and copyright issues. -- My mailbox. My property. My personal space. My rules. Deal with it. http://www.river.com/users/share/cluetrain/