Re: Ways to reduce calls to Validity BLs (was Validity (return path blocklist))

On 2025-05-27 at 09:54:38 UTC-0400 (Tue, 27 May 2025 15:54:38 +0200)
Vincent Lefevre <[email protected]>
is rumored to have said:

> On 2025-05-08 09:44:18 -0400, Bill Cole wrote:
>> That is absolutely true but it is not *for me* a sufficient reason to 
>> remove
>> a longstanding rule. I would need to be convinced that the marginal
>> improvements in noise and privacy for most users greatly outweighs 
>> the risk
>> that removing the rules will quietly break useful local 
>> configurations.
>>
>> That's *NOT* a veto, because there is no formal vote being held. Any
>> committer COULD remove the Validity rules, although I would hope that 
>> would
>> get a broader discussion first. I'm not eager to put my name on that 
>> choice,
>> but if the users and other PMC members broadly want Validity gone, I 
>> won't
>> oppose it any further than this explanation.
>
> What's the current status?

The Validity rules have been given zero scores. This is consistent with 
how we treat the MAPS DNSBLs.


This allows people who have used the checks in meta rules to continue to 
do so.

>
> FYI, I've just noticed this issue with the Validity rules, though
> the RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_*_BLOCKED have appeared since May 2. Note
> that this is for a personal server (members of my family also have
> e-mail addresses, but for them, mail is redirected by postfix, thus
> SpamAssassin is not used).
>
> I looked at what messages had RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL (without _BLOCKED)
> in the past. Some of them are spam. But there is also quite a lot of
> legitimate mail: all from mailing-lists for my work, except a couple
> of messages from some user (sent via RENATER).
>
> So I'm wondering whether they are useful, and if they are, whether
> there is a way to use them conditionally (for instance, they are
> probably useless for messages from high-volume mailing-lists, which
> could also be part of the cause of reaching the limit).
>
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