Re: Dev environment setup
Marko von Oppen <[email protected]> Fri, 17 Nov 2023 01:38:09 +0100
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This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --===============0149127311378051778== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------0SbbbUluGxowei2A0BSLaCul" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------0SbbbUluGxowei2A0BSLaCul Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello jwc, some 15 years ago I was a little bit involved in the development of the Outlook plugin. I do not remember much because I also switched to Thunderbird in 2007 and have not used Outlook since that nor did I develop anything for Windows since that except some Python console scripting. I remember one thing, when you write that you see no output. In the development tools at that time there existed a Windows function "OutputDebugMsg()" and an application from Microsoft named "Debug Monitor" catching all debug output. If I remember correctly things like Python exceptions where redirected to that application if no other debugger running. I do not know if this mechanism still exists in modern Windows but maybe it could be a hint where to start searching. BR Marko Am 15.11.2023 um 04:48 schrieb John Cherney: > > Thank you for the info and support! > > Do either of you use the Outlook client, and if so, can you suggest > and alternate spam filter? I agree gmail does a great job keeping out > spam. I want to still use the Outlook client for my Microsoft email > accounts. (Although I suppose I could be convinced to use their web > client, but I think its spam filtering is just like the Outlook client) > > With the help of Google and StackOverflow, I was able to get the local > code running with Python3.12 and get the Add In gets registered. But > it has the same issue as with the original 1.1a6 install. Outlook > complains that there is a runtime error on loading of the Add In, and > the add-in is disabled. Any ideas on where I could go to see that > exception? I was hoping something would go in the EventViewer, or in a > log file somewhere, but I haven’t found anything yet. > > Thanks, > > jwc > > *From:* Skip Montanaro <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2023 2:57 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Cc:* John Cherney <[email protected]>; [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: [spambayes-dev] Dev environment setup > > Thanks for responding Mark. As you indicated, SpamBayes has been on > long-term hiatus. The biggest impressive for me are a) Gmail does a > good job, and b) I've so far been unable to convince anyone with > Windows packaging experience to update that side of things. > > That said, porting most of it to Python 3 isn't likely to be all that > difficult. A couple of us have taken partial cracks at it. > > Skip > > On Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 10:13 AM Mark Hammond <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I don't think SpamBayes has any current developers and most work > dried up even before Python 3 was ready. Modern Outlook also > hasn't been tested. So I suspect you are probably on your own > here, but those of us left holding the keys would be happy to > arrange any doc etc changes you might make get committed if possible. > > Cheers, > > Mark > > On 2023-11-12 10:57 p.m., John Cherney wrote: > > Is there a recommended set of versions of tools and libraries > for Spambayes development? (In particular, is there a > recommended setup for python 3.x?) > > I would like to get Spambayes to work on a Windows 10 64-bit > machine. The current recommendation works on my machine: Use > the 32-bit version of Office 365 Outlook and install Spambayes > into a non-standard directory like C:/Spambayes. Given that > the software works under those conditions on a 64-bit machine, > it makes me think that there is some interaction (registry > key, etc) missing for Outlook 64-bit to recognize Spambayes. > Maybe this is something as simple as rebuilding the installer > on a 64-bit machine? (Ok, realistically, I’m sure someone has > already tried that.) > > Additionally, is there any way to see the runtime error being > generated? Outlook 64-bit recognizes that Spambayes is there > but generates this message in the Add-ins window: “Load > Behavior: Not loaded. A runtime error occurred during the > loading of the COM Add-in.” Where can I see that runtime > error? Maybe it’s a problem that’s already been solved? I > remember seeing some DEP related issues with Outlook and/or > the Spambayes plugin. I didn’t have any luck trying to disable > DEP on the machine or disable it for Outlook (per the FAQ). > Any other suggestions? > > Thanks, > > jwc > > _______________________________________________ > > spambayes-dev mailing list > > [email protected] > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes-dev > > _______________________________________________ > spambayes-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes-dev > > > _______________________________________________ > spambayes-dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes-dev --------------0SbbbUluGxowei2A0BSLaCul Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit <!DOCTYPE html> <html> <head> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> </head> <body> <p>Hello jwc,</p> <p>some 15 years ago I was a little bit involved in the development of the Outlook plugin. I do not remember much because I also switched to Thunderbird in 2007 and have not used Outlook since that nor did I develop anything for Windows since that except some Python console scripting.<br> </p> <p>I remember one thing, when you write that you see no output. In the development tools at that time there existed a Windows function "OutputDebugMsg()" and an application from Microsoft named "Debug Monitor" catching all debug output. If I remember correctly things like Python exceptions where redirected to that application if no other debugger running.</p> <p>I do not know if this mechanism still exists in modern Windows but maybe it could be a hint where to start searching.</p> <p>BR</p> <p>Marko<br> </p> <p><br> </p> <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 15.11.2023 um 04:48 schrieb John Cherney:<br> </div> <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:IA0PR11MB7354FC9E488C2257090975BCBCB1A-py0Qfd72NcxQ3j7nw2tyHJPPoyLQLiKMvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"> <meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"> <style>@font-face {font-family:"Cambria Math"; panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}@font-face {font-family:Calibri; panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}@font-face {font-family:Consolas; panose-1:2 11 6 9 2 2 4 3 2 4;}p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal {margin:0in; font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}a:link, span.MsoHyperlink {mso-style-priority:99; color:blue; text-decoration:underline;}pre {mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:"HTML Preformatted Char"; margin:0in; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Courier New";}span.HTMLPreformattedChar {mso-style-name:"HTML Preformatted Char"; mso-style-priority:99; mso-style-link:"HTML Preformatted"; font-family:"Consolas",serif; mso-ligatures:none;}span.EmailStyle21 {mso-style-type:personal-reply; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:windowtext;}.MsoChpDefault {mso-style-type:export-only; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}div.WordSection1 {page:WordSection1;}</style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" /> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <o:shapelayout v:ext="edit"> <o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" /> </o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--> <div class="WordSection1"> <p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for the info and support! <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Do either of you use the Outlook client, and if so, can you suggest and alternate spam filter? I agree gmail does a great job keeping out spam. I want to still use the Outlook client for my Microsoft email accounts. (Although I suppose I could be convinced to use their web client, but I think its spam filtering is just like the Outlook client)<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">With the help of Google and StackOverflow, I was able to get the local code running with Python3.12 and get the Add In gets registered. But it has the same issue as with the original 1.1a6 install. Outlook complains that there is a runtime error on loading of the Add In, and the add-in is disabled. Any ideas on where I could go to see that exception? I was hoping something would go in the EventViewer, or in a log file somewhere, but I haven’t found anything yet. <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">jwc<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"> <p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Skip Montanaro <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> <br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 13, 2023 2:57 PM<br> <b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br> <b>Cc:</b> John Cherney <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [spambayes-dev] Dev environment setup<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for responding Mark. As you indicated, SpamBayes has been on long-term hiatus. The biggest impressive for me are a) Gmail does a good job, and b) I've so far been unable to convince anyone with Windows packaging experience to update that side of things.<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">That said, porting most of it to Python 3 isn't likely to be all that difficult. A couple of us have taken partial cracks at it.<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> </div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">Skip<o:p></o:p></p> </div> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <div> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 10:13 AM Mark Hammond <<a href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in"> <div> <p>I don't think SpamBayes has any current developers and most work dried up even before Python 3 was ready. Modern Outlook also hasn't been tested. So I suspect you are probably on your own here, but those of us left holding the keys would be happy to arrange any doc etc changes you might make get committed if possible.<o:p></o:p></p> <p>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p> <p>Mark<o:p></o:p></p> <div> <p class="MsoNormal">On 2023-11-12 10:57 p.m., John Cherney wrote:<o:p></o:p></p> </div> <blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> <div> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Is there a recommended set of versions of tools and libraries for Spambayes development? (In particular, is there a recommended setup for python 3.x?) <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I would like to get Spambayes to work on a Windows 10 64-bit machine. The current recommendation works on my machine: Use the 32-bit version of Office 365 Outlook and install Spambayes into a non-standard directory like C:/Spambayes. Given that the software works under those conditions on a 64-bit machine, it makes me think that there is some interaction (registry key, etc) missing for Outlook 64-bit to recognize Spambayes. Maybe this is something as simple as rebuilding the installer on a 64-bit machine? (Ok, realistically, I’m sure someone has already tried that.)<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Additionally, is there any way to see the runtime error being generated? Outlook 64-bit recognizes that Spambayes is there but generates this message in the Add-ins window: “Load Behavior: Not loaded. A runtime error occurred during the loading of the COM Add-in.” Where can I see that runtime error? Maybe it’s a problem that’s already been solved? I remember seeing some DEP related issues with Outlook and/or the Spambayes plugin. I didn’t have any luck trying to disable DEP on the machine or disable it for Outlook (per the FAQ). Any other suggestions?<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">jwc<o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p> </div> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <pre>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre>spambayes-dev mailing list<o:p></o:p></pre> <pre><a href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]</a><o:p></o:p></pre> <pre><a href="https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes-dev" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes-dev</a><o:p></o:p></pre> </blockquote> </div> <p class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br> spambayes-dev mailing list<br> <a href="mailto:[email protected]" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]</a><br> <a href="https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes-dev" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes-dev</a><o:p></o:p></p> </blockquote> </div> </div> <br> <fieldset class="moz-mime-attachment-header"></fieldset> <pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">_______________________________________________ spambayes-dev mailing list <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a> <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes-dev">https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes-dev</a> </pre> </blockquote> <div class="moz-signature"><br> </div> </body> </html> --------------0SbbbUluGxowei2A0BSLaCul-- --===============0149127311378051778== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ spambayes-dev mailing list [email protected] https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/spambayes-dev --===============0149127311378051778==--