Re: Dev environment setup
Marko von Oppen <[email protected]> Fri, 1 Dec 2023 13:27:48 +0100
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Hello John,
in the last few days I did some additional work based on the code from here:
https://github.com/mpwillson/spambayes3
Here at least the Spambayes core functionality is already running under
Python3 (There are other similar repositories available too).
It supports also Berkeley DB. From my understanding Berkeley DB is not
supported anymore by modern Linux distributions like Debian. So It's not
an option for me.
The code in the repository seems to support standard Python pickle and
ZODB-pickle what is available at least on modern Linux. From the
comments in the code I assume that ZODB is the best option when you do
not want to use a real SQL database backend but I have not used
Zope/ZODB on Windows for nearly 20 years. So I don't know if ZODB is an
option for you. Maybe ZODB is easy available in pip.
As I'm planning to use sb_filter.py, I re-activated MySQL as DB in the
code there and it is running well against my old Spambayes database.
PostgreSQL should work too.
Currently I'm working on some modernization of this code, using argparse
instead of getopt, logging module instaed of printf(), modern string
formatting and so on. Also I'll do some SQL optimizations ("insert ...
on duplicate key ...", specify charset on table creation and so on).
Too I want to implement a new feature by adding support for
"langdetect". As I get emails in different languages with overlapping
words and very different Ham/Spam ratios I suppose tagging all words
with the email's language could reasonable improve the results.
I'll share my changes here https://github.com/mvoppen/spambayes3 soon.
BR
Marko
Am 01.12.2023 um 02:39 schrieb John Cherney:
>
> I think I’ve gotten most of the code converted to Python 3.12. I’m at
> the point now where I have to get the database working. It looks like
> bsddb is only supported up to 3.9. Its replacement is berkeleydb from
> Oracle, but I’d need to set up an account to download the installer.
> I’m assuming berkeleydb is freeware and redistributable, but I’d have
> to look into that. Before I go that far, though, is there a different
> database (maybe one already built into python, or a python friendly
> db) that you would recommend? Ideally, the db would be just a drop-in
> replacement for bsddb.
>
> Thanks,
>
> jwc
>
> *From:* John Cherney <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 18, 2023 6:07 PM
> *To:* Marko von Oppen <[email protected]>; Skip Montanaro
> <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> *Cc:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* RE: [spambayes-dev] Dev environment setup
>
> Thank you, Marko! That did help. I found DebugView at
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/debugview.
> When I re-enable the spambayes add-in, I see the errors pop up in the
> debugview window. At this point, I haven’t had to install anything
> new. I’m playing around with the PATH and PYTHONPATH so the modules
> are found, and then adjusting code to python3. Fortunately, the
> changes fall within my limited knowledge of python and ability to
> google. It isn’t fast progress, but it’s progress.
>
> For your other question: Spambayes with Python3, there is none that I
> could find. I’m hoping it’s just syntax changes that are required to
> get this running on a 64-bit MS Office install with Python3.
>
> Thanks!
>
> jwc
>
> *From:* Marko von Oppen <[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 16, 2023 7:38 PM
> *To:* John Cherney <[email protected]>; Skip Montanaro
> <[email protected]>; [email protected]
> *Cc:* [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [spambayes-dev] Dev environment setup
>
> Hello jwc,
>
> some 15 years ago I was a little bit involved in the development of
> the Outlook plugin. I do not remember much because I also switched to
> Thunderbird in 2007 and have not used Outlook since that nor did I
> develop anything for Windows since that except some Python console
> scripting.
>
> I remember one thing, when you write that you see no output. In the
> development tools at that time there existed a Windows function
> "OutputDebugMsg()" and an application from Microsoft named "Debug
> Monitor" catching all debug output. If I remember correctly things
> like Python exceptions where redirected to that application if no
> other debugger running.
>
> I do not know if this mechanism still exists in modern Windows but
> maybe it could be a hint where to start searching.
>
> BR
>
> Marko
>
> Am 15.11.2023 um 04:48 schrieb John Cherney:
>
> Thank you for the info and support!
>
> Do either of you use the Outlook client, and if so, can you
> suggest and alternate spam filter? I agree gmail does a great job
> keeping out spam. I want to still use the Outlook client for my
> Microsoft email accounts. (Although I suppose I could be convinced
> to use their web client, but I think its spam filtering is just
> like the Outlook client)
>
> With the help of Google and StackOverflow, I was able to get the
> local code running with Python3.12 and get the Add In gets
> registered. But it has the same issue as with the original 1.1a6
> install. Outlook complains that there is a runtime error on
> loading of the Add In, and the add-in is disabled. Any ideas on
> where I could go to see that exception? I was hoping something
> would go in the EventViewer, or in a log file somewhere, but I
> haven’t found anything yet.
>
> Thanks,
>
> jwc
>
> *From:* Skip Montanaro <[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]>
> *Sent:* Monday, November 13, 2023 2:57 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
> *Cc:* John Cherney <[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]>; [email protected]
> *Subject:* Re: [spambayes-dev] Dev environment setup
>
> Thanks for responding Mark. As you indicated, SpamBayes has been
> on long-term hiatus. The biggest impressive for me are a) Gmail
> does a good job, and b) I've so far been unable to convince anyone
> with Windows packaging experience to update that side of things.
>
> That said, porting most of it to Python 3 isn't likely to be all
> that difficult. A couple of us have taken partial cracks at it.
>
> Skip
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 10:13 AM Mark Hammond
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I don't think SpamBayes has any current developers and most
> work dried up even before Python 3 was ready. Modern Outlook
> also hasn't been tested. So I suspect you are probably on your
> own here, but those of us left holding the keys would be happy
> to arrange any doc etc changes you might make get committed if
> possible.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
> On 2023-11-12 10:57 p.m., John Cherney wrote:
>
> Is there a recommended set of versions of tools and
> libraries for Spambayes development? (In particular, is
> there a recommended setup for python 3.x?)
>
> I would like to get Spambayes to work on a Windows 10
> 64-bit machine. The current recommendation works on my
> machine: Use the 32-bit version of Office 365 Outlook and
> install Spambayes into a non-standard directory like
> C:/Spambayes. Given that the software works under those
> conditions on a 64-bit machine, it makes me think that
> there is some interaction (registry key, etc) missing for
> Outlook 64-bit to recognize Spambayes. Maybe this is
> something as simple as rebuilding the installer on a
> 64-bit machine? (Ok, realistically, I’m sure someone has
> already tried that.)
>
> Additionally, is there any way to see the runtime error
> being generated? Outlook 64-bit recognizes that Spambayes
> is there but generates this message in the Add-ins window:
> “Load Behavior: Not loaded. A runtime error occurred
> during the loading of the COM Add-in.” Where can I see
> that runtime error? Maybe it’s a problem that’s already
> been solved? I remember seeing some DEP related issues
> with Outlook and/or the Spambayes plugin. I didn’t have
> any luck trying to disable DEP on the machine or disable
> it for Outlook (per the FAQ). Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
>
> jwc
>
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<p><font face="Calibri">Hello John,</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">in the last few days I did some additional
work based on the code from here:</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri"><a
href="https://github.com/mpwillson/spambayes3"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/mpwillson/spambayes3</a></font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">Here at least the Spambayes core
functionality is already running under Python3 (There are other
similar repositories available too).<br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">It supports also Berkeley DB. From my
understanding Berkeley DB is not supported anymore by modern
Linux distributions like Debian. So It's not an option for me.<br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">The code in the repository seems to support
standard Python pickle and ZODB-pickle what is available at
least on modern Linux. </font><font face="Calibri">From the
comments in the code I assume that ZODB is the best option when
you do not want to use a real SQL database backend but I h</font><font
face="Calibri">ave not used Zope/ZODB on Windows for nearly 20
years. So I don't know if ZODB is an option for you. Maybe ZODB
is easy available in pip. <br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">As I'm planning to use </font><font
face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">sb_filter.py</font><font
face="Calibri">, I re-activated MySQL as DB in the code there
and it is running well against my old Spambayes database.
PostgreSQL should work too.<br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">Currently I'm working on some modernization
of this code, using </font><font
face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">argparse </font><font
face="Calibri">instead of </font><font
face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">getopt</font><font
face="Calibri">, </font><font
face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">logging </font><font
face="Calibri">module instaed of </font><font
face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">printf()</font><font
face="Calibri">, modern string formatting and so on. Also I'll
do some SQL optimizations ("</font><font
face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">insert ... on duplicate
key ...</font><font face="Calibri">", specify charset on table
creation and so on).</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri"><br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">Too I want to implement a new feature by
adding support for "</font><font
face="Courier New, Courier, monospace">langdetect</font><font
face="Calibri">". As I get emails in different languages with
overlapping words and very different Ham/Spam ratios I suppose
tagging all words with the email's language could reasonable
improve the results.<br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">I'll share my changes here <a
href="https://github.com/mvoppen/spambayes3"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">https://github.com/mvoppen/spambayes3</a>
soon.</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri"><br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">BR</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri">Marko<br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri"><br>
</font></p>
<p><font face="Calibri"><br>
</font></p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 01.12.2023 um 02:39 schrieb John
Cherney:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think I’ve gotten most of the code
converted to Python 3.12. I’m at the point now where I have to
get the database working. It looks like bsddb is only
supported up to 3.9. Its replacement is berkeleydb from
Oracle, but I’d need to set up an account to download the
installer. I’m assuming berkeleydb is freeware and
redistributable, but I’d have to look into that. Before I go
that far, though, is there a different database (maybe one
already built into python, or a python friendly db) that you
would recommend? Ideally, the db would be just a drop-in
replacement for bsddb.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">jwc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<div
style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> John Cherney
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 18, 2023 6:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marko von Oppen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a>;
Skip Montanaro <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:[email protected]"><[email protected]></a>;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [spambayes-dev] Dev environment setup<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you, Marko! That did help. I found
DebugView at <a
href="https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/debugview"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/debugview</a>.
When I re-enable the spambayes add-in, I see the errors pop up
in the debugview window. At this point, I haven’t had to
install anything new. I’m playing around with the PATH and
PYTHONPATH so the modules are found, and then adjusting code
to python3. Fortunately, the changes fall within my limited
knowledge of python and ability to google. It isn’t fast
progress, but it’s progress.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For your other question: Spambayes with
Python3, there is none that I could find. I’m hoping it’s just
syntax changes that are required to get this running on a
64-bit MS Office install with Python3.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">jwc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Marko von Oppen <<a
href="mailto:[email protected]" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]</a>>
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, November 16, 2023 7:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Cherney <<a
href="mailto:[email protected]"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]</a>>;
Skip Montanaro <<a
href="mailto:[email protected]"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]</a>>;
<a href="mailto:[email protected]"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:[email protected]"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [spambayes-dev] Dev environment setup<o:p></o:p></p>
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</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p>Hello jwc,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>some 15 years ago I was a little bit involved in the
development of the Outlook plugin. I do not remember much
because I also switched to Thunderbird in 2007 and have not
used Outlook since that nor did I develop anything for Windows
since that except some Python console scripting.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I remember one thing, when you write that you see no output.
In the development tools at that time there existed a Windows
function "OutputDebugMsg()" and an application from Microsoft
named "Debug Monitor" catching all debug output. If I remember
correctly things like Python exceptions where redirected to
that application if no other debugger running.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I do not know if this mechanism still exists in modern
Windows but maybe it could be a hint where to start searching.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>BR<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Marko<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 15.11.2023 um 04:48 schrieb John
Cherney:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you for the info and support! <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Do either of you use the Outlook client,
and if so, can you suggest and alternate spam filter? I
agree gmail does a great job keeping out spam. I want to
still use the Outlook client for my Microsoft email
accounts. (Although I suppose I could be convinced to use
their web client, but I think its spam filtering is just
like the Outlook client)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">With the help of Google and
StackOverflow, I was able to get the local code running with
Python3.12 and get the Add In gets registered. But it has
the same issue as with the original 1.1a6 install. Outlook
complains that there is a runtime error on loading of the
Add In, and the add-in is disabled. Any ideas on where I
could go to see that exception? I was hoping something would
go in the EventViewer, or in a log file somewhere, but I
haven’t found anything yet.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">jwc<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Skip Montanaro <a
href="mailto:[email protected]"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<[email protected]></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 13, 2023 2:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:[email protected]"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> John Cherney <a
href="mailto:[email protected]"
moz-do-not-send="true"><[email protected]></a>;
<a href="mailto:[email protected]"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [spambayes-dev] Dev environment setup<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks for responding Mark. As you
indicated, SpamBayes has been on long-term hiatus. The
biggest impressive for me are a) Gmail does a good job,
and b) I've so far been unable to convince anyone with
Windows packaging experience to update that side of
things.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">That said, porting most of it to
Python 3 isn't likely to be all that difficult. A couple
of us have taken partial cracks at it.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Skip<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 10:13 AM Mark
Hammond <<a href="mailto:[email protected]"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">[email protected]</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I don't think SpamBayes has any current developers
and most work dried up even before Python 3 was ready.
Modern Outlook also hasn't been tested. So I suspect
you are probably on your own here, but those of us
left holding the keys would be happy to arrange any
doc etc changes you might make get committed if
possible.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Mark<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 2023-11-12 10:57 p.m., John
Cherney wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Is there a
recommended set of versions of tools and libraries
for Spambayes development? (In particular, is
there a recommended setup for python 3.x?)
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I would like
to get Spambayes to work on a Windows 10 64-bit
machine. The current recommendation works on my
machine: Use the 32-bit version of Office 365
Outlook and install Spambayes into a non-standard
directory like C:/Spambayes. Given that the
software works under those conditions on a 64-bit
machine, it makes me think that there is some
interaction (registry key, etc) missing for
Outlook 64-bit to recognize Spambayes. Maybe this
is something as simple as rebuilding the installer
on a 64-bit machine? (Ok, realistically, I’m sure
someone has already tried that.)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Additionally,
is there any way to see the runtime error being
generated? Outlook 64-bit recognizes that
Spambayes is there but generates this message in
the Add-ins window: “Load Behavior: Not loaded. A
runtime error occurred during the loading of the
COM Add-in.” Where can I see that runtime error?
Maybe it’s a problem that’s already been solved? I
remember seeing some DEP related issues with
Outlook and/or the Spambayes plugin. I didn’t have
any luck trying to disable DEP on the machine or
disable it for Outlook (per the FAQ). Any other
suggestions?<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">jwc<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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