Re: I know you're tired of hearing this, but ... re FAQs

"WazoO" <[email protected]> wrote in message 
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> "Pop" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> Actually, this same discussion is going on "over 
> there" at
> http://forum.spamcop.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=4387
>
...
>
> The current situation: I can modify existing files in 
> the
> Forum, but currently don't have "write" access such 
> that
> I can "add" new files to the program set.  Stuck 
> there
> until JT changes some bits.

===> I apologize if you took that to be a complaint or 
confrontational.  I didn't mean to make you spend your 
time defending the situation, although I DO very much 
appreciate the insight you provided.  Your post is most 
informational.
>
...
> now, that work was never intended to be "the final
> solution" ... bit the story-line you present in your 
> "can't
> find my way around" is in fact solved by the 
> single-page
> form found in the Forum.
===> Mmm, to a degree you're right, of course.  But I 
was attempting to look at it from the view of someone 
who's been fighting spam and playing with CAUCE et al, 
and deciding to come see what Spamcop's all about, or 
even some complete newbie to SC, like my sister, who 
recently got interested enough to go check it out.  And 
natch, I did give her the forum address; she liked it 
much better "over there".  But, she needed someone to 
tell her about it or she wouldn't have found it.
>
> The/My plan at this point .. when JT gets around to 
> either
> moving some files for me or flipping some permission 
> bits,
> the Forum will get a "portal" page ... basically a 
> web page
> with various informational bits, links, data, etc ... 
> the Forum
> itself will be just another link from the page.  Part 
> of this
> "portal" page will be a (intended) short FAQ to 
> handle
> the normal "who the hell is SpamCop?" visitor.  When 
> this
> gets put into place and worked over, then Julian, 
> Deputies,
> IronPort, etc. will be taken to task once again to 
> make
> changes to the already referenced www.spamcop.net
> page (and Help pages)
===> It must be "interesting" to try to work on 
something that's gotten as fluid as the 
ironport/spamcop/used-to-be/spamcop/forum arena.  One 
tihng about corporations, you always get the pleasure 
of the gvt way of doing things!  <g>.  Been there done 
that is all I'm saying.
>

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>
> I will also note that you are one of the very few 
> people that
> ever made a comment on the request for input on JT's
> offer to go the extra mile and buy some other 
> software
> to be used to build a knowledgebase
===> Hmm, I find that interesting. Too bad, really. 
Probably a "nothing to contribute" thing.  Most of my 
working life was management related so I had/have some 
opinions on things like that.  I do appreciate the 
little ego boost, though.  I'd never heard that.

 ... not sure I follow
> that your previous was ignored or rationalized away 
> ...
===> NBD.  I got into a couple of the threads but the 
various parties were so divided I felt that it wasn't 
worth getting into long debates and there were a couple 
of near-arguements too as I recall.  I was/am too 
ignorant of a lot of it to debate for very long or very 
earnestly, so more often than not I'd just let it go 
when someone explained how I mght be wrong and wasn't 
leaving openings for easy responses.  Laziness on my 
part, probably.  There was only once I recall feeling 
frustrated when Mike Easter (yes, I'm well aware of who 
he is and mean nothing negative here) apparently 
figured I was trying to be arguementative and let me 
know in his classis style of writing <g>.  Anyway, I 
didn't mean it as a complaint, but rather that the 
"opinions" flying around at the time were, uhh, rather 
strongly stated.  <g>

>
> I'll just repeat, the www.spamcop.net FAQ has been
> a source of complaints since day one, I did the Forum 
> FAQ
> as an alternative, I did get the Forum links to point 
> at the
> top of the Forum back when IronPort assigned the
> additional task to one of their staff to go through 
> the
> www.spamcop.net FAQ .... thus allowing access/view
> of the complete Forum structure (that also has 
> expanded
> much since then) ... point being, there are other 
> resources
> available, there is still on-going work in some 
> areas, and
> input is taken ....
>
===> Keep up the good work; and thanks for the insight. 
It's a thankless job, "but someone has to do it."  I 
know you've worked hard at it.

Best Regards,

Pop
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