Re: Loads of spam showing "Delviery Status Notification", "Failure Notice" etc.

Ant wrote:
> "Mike Easter" wrote:

>> We would have to hear from a webtv user about how their news works
>> exactly,
>
> I reckon there's a high probability they wouldn't know anything beyond
> the user interface.

Well, you know how that works.  Somewhere there is a highly technically
competent webtv/er -- who could explain to you or me rationally why they
do their connectivity that way and just how everything works.

>> and perhaps from a news admin about how there's a
>> news.spamcop.net feed with the webtv news gizmo..
>
> It's possible that there is no special arrangement. The software
> might send a post from the local webtv group when it gets one from a
> webtv-er; then it may scrape the real spamcop group for new articles
> at regular intervals, much like a human would do with his/her news
> agent.

Well, there's a little bit of a 'special' or atypical arrangement if a
webtv/er gets to feed the news.spamcop.net newserver thru' the webtv
proprietary interface. -- whereas google's newsfeed basically doesn't -- 
except when it rarely does.

Of course, there's a lot of different ways you could do things, like
gmane or Hamster.  Let Hamster be your own newsserver and access
whatever newsservers it wanted to.

>> http://www.wtv-zone.com/bluefox/yellow_pages.html

>> The webtv spamcop groups are called news.spamcop.* where * = <nil>,
>> geeks, social, & spam
>
> I couldn't find the spamcop groups by way of that link.

I didn't get the webtv spamcop names there, I got it from the nntp info
page http://www.spamcop.net/help.shtml#nntp -- in the Delivery method -
WebTV link properties.

>> So, maybe there's a webtv 'newsserver' accessible to webtv/ers or
>> perhaps with a proprietary interface and it handles some usenet, some
>> private/public newsservers and some webtv only groups.
>
> For sure.

The reason I put that 'newsserver' in quotes was because AOL's wasn't
actually a nntp newsserver, but something else -- but I don't know
enough to understand exactly what it was.

You can build all kinds of funky things if you know what you are doing.
Stephen Gielda of cotse and packetderm and missingamendment fame - the
privacy dude - built a handy dandy little nntp posting thing so that you
don't have to access the newsserver directly.  He called it
'news2remail' -- but it isn't a standard remailer, but just another
cotse privacy tool.  He's got a lot of neat things at his site, and the
service is very economical.

-- 
Mike Easter
kibitzer, not SC admin