Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff...

DougW wrote:
> David Dean did pass the time by typing:
>> In article <[email protected]>,
>> "DougW" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> No, I never said such a thing.  I said they are used to establish calling
>>> patterns that can be tied to terrorist countries OR organizations.
>>   And that doesn't sound like a fishing expedition to you?
> 
> I never said it wasn't.
> 
> And just how do you propose they catch the terrorists before they strike again?
> 

I wouldn't have a problem with anyone recording ALL phone calls no 
matter what.

I would have a problem if those recordings were used in the wrong way.
Just because I phone my parents up and say that Tony Blair is a complete 
wassock, doesn't entitle them to use that against me.
But if I phone up my parents and explain my plan to blow up parliament 
including Tony Blair, then one would hope something would be done about it.

It is up to us, Joe Public to make sure that no misuse of that data 
happens, but you can't blame them for doing everything in their power to 
stop crimes.

We don't really know if the data from phone calls is being collected so 
it can be analysed 'offline'.
We don't know what happens to the data after it has been 'used'.
We also don't know if that data has been misused.

Don't get me wrong, I am under no illusion that some misuse will occur, 
but then that makes those doing it no better than the criminals they are 
claiming to be after.  But I would rather go after them for breaking the 
law, than stop them from collecting the information in the first place.

I can bet that if another 9/11 'type inciddent' occurred and it 
transpired that they used the national telephone network (fixed or 
wireless) to organize and plan it because they knew it cannot be 
recorded, there would be outcry.

Gone are the days when 'we' know who the terrorists are/were and 
concentrate our efforts on tracking known targets in an effort to stop 
attacks.
Now it could be anyone in our community that becomes involved? How the 
heck are we supposed to find and stop them.

I have nothing to hide, but my family to protect, so when I look at my 
rights to have a personal conversation with someone, I would waive that 
right if it increased the chance of preventing an attack that could 
ultimately harm them..

So I don't give a damn who is listening or watching me, I only give a 
damn if they start misusing that info. So far, I have no evidence of misuse.

Just look at the number of attacks in the UK that have been thwarted due 
to 'covert' operations that we would have considered a breach of our 
privacy.

Ultimately, the choice is yours, I personally waive my rights to privacy 
in order to protect those around me.