Re: I don't know who's leaking this stuff...

David Dean wrote:
> In article <[email protected]>,
>  Chris Wright <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> I oppose the action of Guantanamo Bay, because that was just like 
>> throwing a net over a group of people and saying "Gotcha".
>> Not all of them are guilty, and in my mind, if I were one of them being 
>> held, I'd be screaming blue murder.
> 
>    But that is exactly what they're doing with the phone records, 
> casting a big net.
> 
>> And if they couldn't be trusted or 
>> seen to be competent in handling the process, then yes, stop it until 
>> such time it can be controlled.
> 
>    You see, we can't trust our government to be competent in handling 
> the process, there has been abuse in the past. That is why we are 
> against it. Perhaps you should google: "COINTELPRO"
> 

To both Charles and yourself...

I don't have any objection to your reasons for not letting them have 
access and I share your concerns with the possible misuse of the list.

Charles is saying that its becoming too big brother which again relates 
to the potential misuse of it.

You are saying that it 'may' and in all probability 'is' against the 
constitution (unless some cleave government wig is capable of proving 
its not by the use of massive amounts of mumbo jumbo).

Neither of those two points can I dispute.
And nor should I wipe them from my concerns and dismiss them (and nor do I).

All I am saying is that here and now, there is a threat.  A major 
threat.  Since I have nothing to hide, I don't care who is monitoring my 
calls if there is a chance that they will catch some criminal in the 
act.  I consider the chance of them misusing the information less than 
the chance of them catching criminals in the act.

But, if there was every such a time that the system was abused and 
misuse became apparent. I'd be standing next to the both of you calling 
for the whole damn thing to be shut down or whatever.

Its sad that we even have to consider such actions in this age.
I have 3 kids of 6,10 and 11 who I want to be able to grow up and I 
would consider anything that helps protect them even at the loss of some 
of my privacy/rights.

Anyway, at the risk of going round in circles, time to exit this thread.