Re: BlueSecurity/Blue Frog

On Sun, 07 May 2006 10:53:33 -0700, Mike Easter wrote:

> news.spamcop.net wrote:
>> You guys have experience with this outfit?  /. and Digg have been
>> talking about it.
> 
> I am opposed to BlueFrog/BS and I don't trust them.

We're going to have to agree to disagree ;-)

> I think the primary business model is to make money off a venture
> capitalism idea by first attracting frustrated and naive spammees.

Frustrated, hell, yes!  In five years of feeding SpamCop with, so far
110,000 bits of trash, I find I only get more spam.  I don't think feeding
it more will bring me (or anyone else) less spam.  I've tossed a half
dozen domain names and thrown wildcards away on all the rest, due to
spam and I still get more. I don't have one open email address in the
wild. Naive, not a chance!

> I think they use shady business practices and collusion with
> spamvertisers.

I've seen nothing to allude to this. I hung around and watched for months
before I signed up and used their devices. I had some doubts before,  but
those are gone, now.
 
> In the recent ddos incident, they acted very badly, diverting their
> problem onto innocent others and displaying their 'mentality'.

By turning the DDoS back onto a couple trojaned proxies as collateral
damage..  even the best of the 'fighters' have made a few "errors".  By
turning it back at the perp,  he did get the message. !

> They are a rotten bunch -- I think the BlueFrogger spammees who envision
> themselves as spam retaliators are fools hanging out in a rotten barrel.

Harsh, without an iota of proof.  The resumes of the principals reads far
differently.
 
> It is not my job to prove those opinions here or elsewhere.  There is
> plenty of discussion by me and by others in alt.spam and nanae for
> anyone who wants to search it.

'Ya, like most of those who post in nanae, and some of the alt.spam are
saints and always right.   hmmmmph

BlueSecurity with almost a 1/2 million members has made great strides in
turning a *lot* of my spam off,  unlike the route I tried for 5 years. I
still feed the ScBL,  but wonder why.

I could give you a couple urls of message boards that are not nanae-types
which say just the opposite of what you are saying,  (except for the
spammer trolls, there) and they are NOT BlueSecurity boards.

But I'm not going to convince you.  But I do see several other @spamcop
address using their service too, so I'm not alone.

Ken