Re: BlueSecurity/Blue Frog

"news.spamcop.net" <[email protected]> wrote in message 
news:[email protected]...
> Are you a spammer troll? You're being weird.


And you are being a child, especially since you haven't bothered to 
review past posts to check on Mike's demeanor.  Children often use the 
excuse that if they are being hurt that they will then go hurt someone 
else, and not particularly the one that hurt them.  The argument I see 
most that defends BS' (yeah, an appropriate abbreviation for them) flood 
redirect is that it was the spammers' fault for DOS'ing BS and that BS 
was in its right to then redirect the flood at someone else.  Regardless 
of the problem, if a stray dog shits in your yard, you are NOT legally 
permitted to pick it up and toss it into your neighbor's yard.  Clean up 
your own mess!  From the ineptitude rampant amongst users that classify 
all undesirable e-mails as spam and go reporting it, it is highly likely 
that lots of web hosting providers are getting nailed due to stupid 
users.  Cloudmark, at least, using a voting scheme that also ranks users 
based on their past performance regarding accuracy, is still a passive 
scheme as are most other responsible methods.  BS has a "team" of 
analysts inspecting your e-mails (so much for privacy) and then has the 
local client on your host do the DOS bomb.  Christ, users bitch about 
mailer trojans and yet they subscribe to this puerile zombism of their 
host.

"Blue Security follows the links inside the body of the spam message, 
which typically lead to a site that wants to sell you prescription 
medications, porn, a get-rich-quick scheme, or the like. It then 
identifies the form fields at the spammer's site (where you're asked to 
input credit card data, for example) and then uses the software you 
installed to direct your PC to insert in those fields a request to 
unsubscribe you from the site's mailing list." 
(http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,121841,00.asp)

So BS disguises their DOS attack of the hosting provider as a shit-load 
of opt-outs.  It doesn't matter what the hell is contained within their 
flood of messages.  That's just BS trying to hide their true intent. 
Like a child, they just want to punish someone, anyone, regardless of 
the harm done to others.  Extremists never care about how many they hurt 
as long as some of the victims might include their intended targets. 
Look at the terrorists that use bombs indiscriminately.  They don't care 
who they hit.  They just want to kill someone, and maybe it might be 
someone they don't like.  It's like the Bruce Willis "Die Hard" movie 
where the FBI agents say something about something like 20% casualties 
(of innocents) was doable.  Yeah, as long as they got the bad guys then 
some innocents getting nailed was okay.  Wrong!  There's a reason why 
cops are not allowed to spray the street with shotguns to get a 
bankrobber that's running through a crowd.

Oh, and if it was the spammer's fault for making BS go DOS a site then 
the real fault lies with the idiot users that actually buy something 
from the spammers.  Obviously the spammers couldn't continue to exist if 
they generated no revenue.  So let's hide BS' puerile and harmful 
tactics by claiming it is the users' fault that buy anything promoted by 
spam.  Yeah, let's blame everyone but BS for the actions committed by 
BS.

I'm sure the morality and social attitudes of Israelis is different than 
Americans is different then <pick your own country>.  Vengeance may be 
more acceptable in your country.  However, it seems a rather universal 
social norm that you are not allowed to help yourself by harming others. 
If you are wronged by an assailant, you may have some recourse against 
that particular assailant, but you don't get to burn down the apartment 
complex in which they live so that one of the victims might be the 
wrongdoer.  The same childish vengeance excuse is also spewed by those 
using bogus bounces and challenge-response.  They can't manage to look 
beyond their own egotistical needs.  "Works for me" is all the excuse 
they need to do it as long as they don't get punished for it.  Of the 
two extremist camps - spammers and anti-spammers - neither is good for 
the community.  The rest of us have found usable solutions and aren't 
interested in being the collateral damage in their feud.

Well BS is getting their just deserts in themselves getting DOS'ed.  Too 
bad it isn't a flood from all innocents that have been harmed by BS' 
shotgun approach to vengeance.  Those who relinquished their e-mail 
addresses and privacy to BS' registry were getting messages that 
threaten them with getting 20-40 times more spam than they might 
otherwise receive.  BS described the spammer's tactics - the same ones 
that BS uses - as "bullying" and "extortion".  Gee, ya think?  Duh! 
Guess BS doesn't appreciate experiencing its own "solution".