Re: BlueSecurity/Blue Frog

"Vanguard" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
>
> Protecting yourself and fucking over someone else as collateral damage
> is NOT a responsible solution.  Even if you were really lucky and happen
> to be attacking the spammer, your vigilante actions are still
> reprehensible.  If you can't be a responsible netizen, then leave!  We
> would appreciate it.  If you can't manage to find and use a responsible
> anti-spam solution then you really shouldn't be doing e-mail at all.
>

OK, first off, for a variety of reasons I don't and wouldn't use BS's BF
service.

That being said, I shoould say that out of dozens of spams I look at
carefully on a daily basis, and many more cursorily while fulfilling SC
reports, that the number of IB'd and joe jobbed sites is almost vanishingly
small,. perhaps 1 spam or less a month out of thousands.

Collateral damage to spam sources and spamvertizing hosters is inevitable
and , frankly necessary, it's the only way ISP's and hosters will be forced
to choose between an abusive and non abusive clientele. Until then they can
all make salutory efforts against the spammers, scammers, phishers and
ddossers and earn revenue from all of them.

The las time anyone showed real balls to spammers was when AOL blackholed
Telia, a couple of years ago, yerah there was a lot of collateral damage,
mails lost, but, hey it worked, I have hardly seen any spam since from
Telia. Theirabuse department must be effective, wonder why?. Well since then
the providers have all lost their collective cojones unfortunately.

Yes I'd like to see providers 5xx-ing all mails on the SCBL, why? well it's
better than what most mail providers do now, some 80 to 90 % of the incoming
mailstream after analysis for spammishness of one kind or another is
silently dropped on the floor. and yes  a not insignificant amount of
goodmail simply disappears, the sender never knows, the receiver never
knows, (unless the sender asks the receiver to write back if the mail was
not received :) ).

I'd rather have a pissed off goodmail sender complaining and finding an
alternate way to get hold of me than the current situation.

Most people shouln't delude themselves, if you're using a large commercial
mail service, those dozen or so spams in your junk folder are only a small
fraction of the junk mail stream that has been dropped into dave nulls
basket.

Anyway to get back to the topic at hand, SC its self does something similar,
mailbombing postmasters etc. who are connected with a spam, and Vern Shryver
isn't so far off the mark, and SC's whiteness isn't so different from BS's
blackness. we're all dealing with shades of grey here. I use SC, support
what it does, I don't intend to use blue frog, but I do support the aims,
and the methods are a bit extreme for my liking.

Remeber , if you don;t have effective policing and justice, you will always
get vigilantism, in fact that's is really what police and courts are for, to
protect us all from vigilantism. IN the internet at the moment the police
and courts are dozing at the wheel.