Re: BlueSecurity/Blue Frog

"Tim McGraw" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Berny wrote:
SNIP
> > Collateral damage to spam sources and spamvertizing hosters is
inevitable
> > and , frankly necessary, it's the only way ISP's and hosters will be
forced
> > to choose between an abusive and non abusive clientele. Until then they
can
> > all make salutory efforts against the spammers, scammers, phishers and
> > ddossers and earn revenue from all of them.
>
> Using that logic, if we eliminate all the pimps in the world there won't
> be any prostitution.
>
> I don't buy it.
>
> > Yes I'd like to see providers 5xx-ing all mails on the SCBL, why? well
it's
> > better than what most mail providers do now, some 80 to 90 % of the
incoming
> > mailstream after analysis for spammishness of one kind or another is
> > silently dropped on the floor. and yes  a not insignificant amount of
> > goodmail simply disappears, the sender never knows, the receiver never
> > knows, (unless the sender asks the receiver to write back if the mail
was
> > not received :) ).
>
> Lots of problems here. For one thing, blocking based on the SCBL alone
> is a bad idea. If you applied scoring intelligently you would virtually
> never drop goodmail on the floor.
>
> I'm glad you're not my postmaster.

Well , I personally find tagging spam a waste of my time, I don't want
anything in a junk mailbox, otherwise I find I have to go dumpster diving to
see what got tagged that was goodmail, I'd rather the sender got the 5xx
notice, even my friends.

Imagine AOL, Earthlink, SpamCast Hotmail, Yahoo and Gmail* all using SCBL,
CBL, Spews 1 to 5xx reject, and say banning everything from say hbtele or
teleglobe or some particularly obnoxious service or country until they
cleaned up their act. Then targetting the next worse provider, I think the
spam problem would find itself cleaned up remarkably fast, by services
policing themselves

*I don't mean to imply any quality or lack thereof in their spamfighting
here. or even wether they ar black or white hat.

Or if we had mass access to whois, and blackholing every IP and DNS owned by
spammers, for example every IP touched by "Paul Gregoire" or registered to
that funny non-address in Nanaimo, I think the registrars would clean up
their act also.

I am hoping for the day when spam will be sent in the dozens by
chickenboners who have to get a new hotmail or Yahoo or other free mail
account for every few spams, answer the kaptcha challenges,  and find a new
internet cafe or library to sign up for email because that bit of netspace
will be (at least temporarily)  banned by the free mailers for abuse. Then
the spam problem will have been solved, and most of us won't see any for
days on end.