Re: Trying to find out cause of blacklisting

Mike Easter wrote:
> James wrote:
> 
>> I've been running mail servers (qmail) for about a decade, and I found
>> out yesterday that one of them had been blacklisted by SpamCop.
> 
> You could have found out a lot more information here or even all by
> yourself by naming the IP here then, which you didn't do, or by
> following the links yourself which are provided for a listed IP, which
> are no longer provided to the public for an unlisted IP.
> 
> The other advantage of naming the IP here would be the possibility that
> some of us here might be able to 'guess' at the problem for some
> particular server.  Another advantage would be that given an IP, we can
> say how any spamcop report about that IP would be addressed.
> 
> It is also possible that if the listing were caused by hitting spamtraps
> alone that no address would have been provided any reports about the
> spamsourcing.
> 
>> nobody
>> from SpamCop has replied to my request for details of exactly why it
>> was blacklisted.
> 
> If it were listed for hitting spamtraps, the evidence is not provided.
> Also, if the form of your request were to 'dispute' the listing, that
> won't get you anywhere.  The deputy would look at the parse for the
> spamtrap hits and find the spamsource to have been accurately derived,
> and the dispute would be ignored.
> 
> An admin can make request to be notified about spamcop reports, but the
> admin won't get links to the evidence for spamtrap hits.
> 
> Servers are most often listed because of some kind of backscatter or
> autoresponder behavior -- in which the server receives a spam and
> accepts the spam for delivery and then can't deliver the spam to the
> mailbox, and so then the server which has foolishly accepted a spam it
> can't deliver decides to create a newmail addressed to the spam's bogus
> From which might be a reporter or a spamtrap..
> 
> That newmail hits a spamtrap and that abusive backscatter is spamcop
> reportable and contributes to the server becoming spamcop blocklisted.
> 
>> If I could get a copy of the offending message, with full headers, it
>> would be possible to find out how/why this happened, as I don't want
>> it to happen again.
> 
> If it hit a spamtrap, that's not going to happen.  If it hit a reporter,
> every SC report is reported to what is presumed to be the appropriate
> admin to be notified.  If you aren't the one, then someone else got the
> report with a link to the evidence.
> 
>> I have had no other reports of Spam from that server, so it makes it
>> all the more perplexing.  If somebody could point me to somebody who
>> could help me on this, I'd appreciate it.
> 
> How did you try to contact a SC person and what is the IP of the
> previously listed server?
> 

Mike: why are your replies so wordy?