Re: Questions about the python3 version of TMDA

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I wish I could help - but all I gotta say is:

  Hardcore!

I never made use of tmda-cgi since I use alpine (previously pine) to=20
consume email.

Chris

On Thu, 2 Jun 2022, Hippo Man wrote:
> > However, it turns out that the C=C3=A9dric Dufour version runs under Py=
thon 3.
> > I decided to take the plunge and try it, and I very easily got it to wo=
rk!!!
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> ... but unfortunately, I still have to deal with tmda-cgi. I found severa=
l versions
> of it on line and tried each of them, but none work in conjunction with t=
his
> Python 3 version of TMDA.
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> And it would be major piece of work to convert any of the existing tmda-c=
gi
> releases to Python 3, and therefore, I believe I will have to write my ow=
n
> replacement for tmda-cgi in order to accomplish this.
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> I already have been using a command-line utility that I wrote a number of
> years ago (in the Ruby language) to go through my pending emails and
> either release, blacklist, whitelist, or delete them via invocations of
> "tmda-pending".
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> But I want a web-based app for doing this, and so I guess I will have to =
use
> my command-line code as a starting point in order to write my own
> web-based tmda-cgi-like utility.
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> Or perhaps is there already some sort of alternative web-based front end =
to
> tmda? I haven't been able to find such a thing, but perhaps I am missing
> something.
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> Thanks in advance for any thoughts or suggestions.
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> --
> [email protected]
> =C2=A0Take a hippopotamus to lunch today.
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> On Thu, Jun 2, 2022 at 1:44 AM Hippo Man <[email protected]> wrote:
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>       I really tried to get TMDA working with python3 but eventually I ga=
ve up
>       and decided to just stick with python2. Admittedly, my python skill=
s are
>       poor, and I didn't want to spend more hours trying to get it to wor=
k.
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>       Hopefully you'll make better progress than I did!
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>       Chris
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> Thank you!
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> And yes, I understand, I spent way, *way* too much time trying to convert
> the original Python 2 TMDA code to Python 3. It ended up being a big
> mess, and I finally gave up.
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> However, it turns out that the C=C3=A9dric Dufour version runs under Pyth=
on 3.
> I decided to take the plunge and try it, and I very easily got it to work=
!!!
> ... as follows:
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> % cd [work directory]
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> % git clone https://github.com/cedric-dufour/tmda.git
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> % cd tmda
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> % sudo python3 setup.py install
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> This installs the Python 3 TMDA executables into /usr/local/bin , and the=
y
> all work for me!=C2=A0 It turns out that the "debian" subdirectory that I=
 was
> asking about in my previous message is totally irrelevant. The only
> purpose of that subdirectory is for facilitating the creation of a debian
> APT package for TMDA. There is no need to do that, since the steps I
> outlined above will perform a full TMDA installation on your own linux
> machine.
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> After performing those steps, I only had to make one tiny change to my
> existing TMDA configuration:
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> Near the top of /etc/tmdarc is the following line of code:
> os.makedirs(LOGDIR, 0755)
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> That simply needs to be changed to this:
> os.makedirs(LOGDIR, 0o755)
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> (i.e., put a lower-case letter "o" between the zero and the seven)
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> Some of my own scripts had to be changed, because I had the original
> Python 2 TMDA code in /usr/local/tmda/bin, and I had to change a small
> number of references to that directory into /usr/local/bin. But to be cle=
ar,
> those changes are in my own code which *calls* TMDA executables ...
> not in any of the Python 3 TMDA code itself.
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> One caveat is that I do not use TMDA for challenge-response these
> days, and I have never used it for tagging ... only for whitelisting, for
> blacklisting, and for putting unfamiliar messages into the Pending queue
> so I can inspect them via the TMDA-cgi web software and decide what
> to do with them. Therefore, I don't know if you would encounter
> challenge-response or tagging issues. However, given how well the
> Python 3 version is working for me, I am optimistic that those functions
> would also probably work.
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> If you or anyone else want to try this Python 3 version of TMDA, and
> if problems are encountered, I'm glad to offer whatever help I can here
> in this mailing list.
> --
> [email protected]
> =C2=A0Take a hippopotamus to lunch today.
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>       On Wed, 1 Jun 2022, Hippo Man wrote:
>       > I have done a "git clone" of the python3 version of TMDA from her=
e:
>       > https://github.com/cedric-dufour/tmda.git
>       >
>       > And I have done a "python3 setup.py install".
>       >
>       > I see that it created a TMDA directory tree under /opt/local/shar=
e/tmda
>       >
>       > In the cloned git directory, there is also a "debian" subdirector=
y, and since
>       > I am running under Debian-11, I want to install that debian-speci=
fic code.
>       > However, this debian code was not installed anywhere after my run=
 of
>       > "python3 setup.py install", and I could not find any instructions=
 for how
>       > to install that debian code.
>       >
>       > Futhermore, in the documentation that came with this TMDA version=
,
>       > there are a few references to http://wiki.tmda.net, but that web =
site
>       > no longer exists.
>       >
>       > Is there any place where I could find instructions for how to do =
a full,
>       > complete TMDA install of this python3 version on my Debian host?
>       >
>       > Thanks in advance for any pointers and help!
>       >
>       > --
>       > [email protected]
>       > =C2=A0Take a hippopotamus to lunch today.
>       >
>       >
>       > On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 10:14 AM Hippo Man <[email protected]> wr=
ote:
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thank you very much.
>       >
>       > And I'm glad to see that this mailing list is actually still aliv=
e!
>       >
>       > Also, I went to your github site, and see that there are links th=
ere for two
>       > Python3 forks. TMDA is the only Python2 code on my server, and I =
very
>       > much want to get rid of Python2 completely. I'm going to check ou=
t both of
>       > those Python3 TMDA forks, and I'm happy that they exist.
>       >
>       > --
>       > [email protected]
>       > =C2=A0Take a hippopotamus to lunch today.
>       >
>       >
>       > On Wed, Jun 1, 2022 at 1:17 AM Chris Caputo <[email protected]> wro=
te:
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Nice work!
>       >
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0BTW, I maintain https://github.com/ccap=
uto/TMDAretro in case anyone has
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0trouble installing TMDA these days.
>       >
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Chris
>       >
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Tue, 31 May 2022, Hippo Man wrote:
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I figured out the answer to my questi=
on.
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> In case anyone might come to this mai=
ling list some
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> day and wants to know how I solved my=
 problem, here
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> is how I did so ...
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I can implement item #2 in my list be=
low by means of
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> an "incoming" filter. I created a "ho=
ldlist" file to contain
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> match patterns for the set of address=
es that I want to
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> automatically put into a pending stat=
e, and I put the
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> following rule into my incoming filte=
r ...
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> from-file ~/.tmda/lists/holdlist hold
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Now, I have succcessfully implemented=
 all three items
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> in my list.
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> --
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> [email protected]
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0Take a hippopotamus to lunch to=
day.
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On Mon, May 30, 2022 at 7:51 PM Hippo=
 Man <[email protected]> wrote:
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I've been u=
sing TMDA for something like 15 years, and I am still
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> getting lots of benefit from it and a=
m still very happy with it.
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> If there is anyone who is actually re=
ading this email list these days,
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I have a question about the use of TM=
DA.
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> My question is this: I want to set up=
 the following filtering rules ...
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> (1) If the sender's email address is =
on a very small list (less than a
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> dozen entries), I'd like the sender t=
o be blacklisted.
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> (2) if the sender's email address is =
on a very small list (less than a
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> dozen entries), I'd like the email to=
 be held in the pending queue.
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> (3) If any email arrives whose sender=
 address is not in either of those
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> two small lists, I'd like it to be de=
livered.
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> If all I had to deal with were item 1=
 and item 3, I could set ACTION_INCOMING
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> to "ok" and simply put the unwanted s=
ender addresses into a blacklist file.
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> However, I don't know how to also han=
dle item 2 along with items 1 and 3.
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Is what I want to do even possible wi=
th TMDA?
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> If anyone is actually reading this em=
ail list and can answer my question,
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I will be greatly appreciative!
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> --
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> [email protected]
>       >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> =C2=A0Take a hippopotamus to lunch to=
day.
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